Got pulled over today..

[Murchie]

as noted earlier, difference between bike levels and car levels:

bikes being loud is a safety mechanism, allowing other cars with retard drivers that may not see you to possibly hear you.

yea, i wont be able to use that in court lol

No offense intended but wtf do you guys do where your time is so non-valuable?

Surely $110 is worth a fraction of the time lost it takes to do all the crap mentioned in here. Filing complaints, provincial court...?

A day full day off of work even at $10 an hour almost makes this ticket not worth fighting.

Good chance I'm retarded but I'd pay for 5 of these before I wasted vacation days and weekends to fight them. Unless it affects your insurance or something I don't see this being worth it?

Please educate me if I'm wrong and good luck with your endeavor.

I definitely think your opinion on it being a waste of time is wrong because your opinion is based on you having to work full-time. I got all the time in the world. Plus going through all this hassle is worth getting to know the law.

[r33_gtst]

So by the officer "articulating" it that would be him saying so, right?

It' slike you tried to disagree with me here but then you backed up my facts. I'm not sure how to respond, lol.

lol sorry for not being clear. You said "your exhaust is illegal because the officer said it was. Sorry, but that's how the law is written in Ontario"

He did not determine the exhaust to be illegal, he determined the noise was unnecessary. An exhaust is not illegal because a cop says it is. If it follows the rules of the HTA (has cat, muffler) then its legal. Hi saying "your exhaust is illegal because it's loud" does not make it illegal. Ever heard a public bus? Those are rediculously loud, and they have a legal exhaust. It's just the noise it produces, doesn't mean it's unnecessary. Just like a transport truck.

And further, I know my sh|t because I have family and friends in both law enforcement and also crown attorney/defense. Had my share of tickets as a kid too

[Murchie]

Just doing little research.I'm charged under section '75 (4) of the High Way Traffic Act'

75. (1) Every motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle shall be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon a motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 75 (1).

Unnecessary noise

(4) A person having the control or charge of a motor vehicle shall not sound any bell, horn or other signalling device so as to make an unreasonable noise, and a driver of any motor vehicle shall not permit any unreasonable amount of smoke to escape from the motor vehicle, nor shall the driver at any time cause the motor vehicle to make any unnecessary noise, but this subsection does not apply to a motor vehicle of a municipal fire department while proceeding to a fire or answering a fire alarm call. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 75 (4)

[collector240sx]

Hum, reading that section 75 (4), my first thought was I could have a fine if my car caught fire. lol

Hate to go off topic, but wouldn't section 75 (1) make it illegal for the new corvette to have muffler butterfly from the factory ????
I tell you manufacturers have all the right, that's why the more I think about it, the more I want to build myself a kit car.

[Murchie]

Hum, reading that section 75 (4), my first thought was I could have a fine if my car caught fire. lol

Hate to go off topic, but wouldn't section 75 (1) make it illegal for the new corvette to have muffler butterfly from the factory ????
I tell you manufacturers have all the right, that's why the more I think about it, the more I want to build myself a kit car.

I'm not sure about that..

[cortexx]

Pay the fine and move forward , if you get offended by the occasional ticket or cop stop then don't drive something that attracts attention . It's kind of like running through the streets with a klu klux klan outfit on and then complaining when someone takes a violent offence to what your doing !

Driving a noisy sports car or unusual car is always going to attract the police - it's a fact of life !

[Murchie]

Pay the fine and move forward , if you get offended by the occasional ticket or cop stop then don't drive something that attracts attention . It's kind of like running through the streets with a klu klux klan outfit on and then complaining when someone takes a violent offence to what your doing !

Driving a noisy sports car or unusual car is always going to attract the police - it's a fact of life !

Who said, im offended by the occasional ticket? .. im just trying to prove my exhaust is not unnecessarily loud..Simple!.

And

Although the procedure of pulling me over is not illegal, i think it goes against the 'policy and service standards' that the police use to guide how they operate.

Update- OIPRD mailed me a letter stating they have received my official complaint..

[Murchie]

So, from what majority of people are telling me...the law for meeting a certain decibel limit for exhaust has been scrapped.

Can anyone confirm this?

[Murchie]

Got a reply from, Office of the Independent Police Review Director (OIPRD)

The OIPRD is aware of your concerns. However, taking all the information into consideration, the Director has not identified any breach of the Police Service Act or its Code of Conduct. Therefore, we have no jurisdiction to deal with this matter, and our file is now closed

Soo, now we know..its perfectly legal for police to yell at you to pull over without properly identifying themselves. As well as, reaching into your car and pulling your keys

[r33_gtst]

He is in uniform and asked you to pull over. Marked vehicle or not
You ignored him and continued on your way. He does not know until he investigates why you were refusin to stop for police.
Finally you stop, his concern is you flee again and turns off the car and took the keys
He had reasonable reason to do all of the above. May not seem that way from your point of view, but don't forget, police have to expect the worst and work backwards. Complacency kills

[Murchie]

He is in uniform and asked you to pull over. Marked vehicle or not
You ignored him and continued on your way. He does not know until he investigates why you were refusin to stop for police.
Finally you stop, his concern is you flee again and turns off the car and took the keys
He had reasonable reason to do all of the above. May not seem that way from your point of view, but don't forget, police have to expect the worst and work backwards. Complacency kills

On point!

[R32Blade]

Hum, reading that section 75 (4), my first thought was I could have a fine if my car caught fire. lol

Hate to go off topic, but wouldn't section 75 (1) make it illegal for the new corvette to have muffler butterfly from the factory ????
I tell you manufacturers have all the right, that's why the more I think about it, the more I want to build myself a kit car.

For what I understand; if it is stock from the factory/ purchased from a dealership, the police can't do anything about it since it is considered stock.

[Terrh]

SRT4 Neon's didn't meet the letter of the law in ontario either out of the factory.

People got tickets for bone stock cars and lost in court.

[Terrh]

lol sorry for not being clear. You said "your exhaust is illegal because the officer said it was. Sorry, but that's how the law is written in Ontario"

He did not determine the exhaust to be illegal, he determined the noise was unnecessary. An exhaust is not illegal because a cop says it is. If it follows the rules of the HTA (has cat, muffler) then its legal. Hi saying "your exhaust is illegal because it's loud" does not make it illegal. Ever heard a public bus? Those are rediculously loud, and they have a legal exhaust. It's just the noise it produces, doesn't mean it's unnecessary. Just like a transport truck.

And further, I know my sh|t because I have family and friends in both law enforcement and also crown attorney/defense. Had my share of tickets as a kid too

Once you explained it clearly I agree with you.

But the officer deeming the noise to be unnecessary makes it illegal doesn't it?

I really hate the wording of the HTA with muffler laws and am unsure how I would even go about fighting a ticket if I got one for it. Pointing out that other cars are louder, that the noise is necessary etc is extremely difficult to prove. How far are you expected to go to prove your innocence? What defines necessary. It's not really "necessary" to have a 600hp street car, but then again, it's not really necessary to drive at all. IDK I'm not a lawyer it's just my ramblings on the subject.

[Terrh]

No offense intended but wtf do you guys do where your time is so non-valuable?

Surely $110 is worth a fraction of the time lost it takes to do all the crap mentioned in here. Filing complaints, provincial court...?

A day full day off of work even at $10 an hour almost makes this ticket not worth fighting.

Good chance I'm retarded but I'd pay for 5 of these before I wasted vacation days and weekends to fight them. Unless it affects your insurance or something I don't see this being worth it?

Please educate me if I'm wrong and good luck with your endeavor.

Since nobody replied to you I'll reply. Hope you get to see it it's a few pages old.

With the way insurance works in ontario, if you had got 5 of these and didn't fight them you'd probably be paying a grand a month for insurance. So at that point it would be really, really worth it.

But for just one ticket, it's hardly worth it, unless you've had some other convictions. Financially.

For many people it's the principle of the matter. If I don't believe I committed an offense I'm not going to lie and say I admit guilt when I don't believe I'm in the wrong.

There is also the opinion that traffic policing is BS and a waste of time and is just a "motorist tax". I feel that way to some degree and will gladly fight tickets to slow the system down, especially if what I was doing at the time wasn't dangerous or was something that in my opinion shouldn't be illegal. The time these officers spend arguing over how loud someones exhaust is could be better spent saving peoples lives or property. I don't mind the police pulling someone over for driving dangerously or obviously horribly unsafe vehicles, drunks etc but running a 10 man speed trap on the 401 pulling over people for going 120 in a 100 is ridiculous.