I demand they ban all left hand drive immediatly....

[BRN32]

@ Tony

Hi, and thanks! No, I'm not on Heights, should join tho. If you want, you could pass the word around there as I don't know any JDM owners in the city. If responses look good we can start planning this out more. Easiest way to contact me is, grdmalby at gmail.com

@ foxracing

We have the Manitoba Street Rodders Assosiation looking after us in the modification department, they have been working with MPIC for ever. Anyone who has been ticketed for suspension probably failed for a good reason or "poor" cop, there is a clearance minimum of 4 or 5 inches (excluding exaust) and a few key things with simple cures.

[Nismo_line]

ya and i know autoclubs is joined with them and they are asking anyone who had a very unreasonable time with viu to come forward and explain their situation

[Tony-R32]

but viu was not mesuring suspension properly, the bylaw is 5 inches of clearence all together, 2.5" down and 2.5" up, all the cops were doing is pressing on the side of the car trying to make the suspension go down, and saying that wasn't "5 inches"

Thats bogus, because i garuntee if you went to a cop car there wouldn't be 5 inches of down clearence when pressing on the fender....furthermore what kind of legitamit test is that, failing something because you pushed on it? big diff between 3000lbs bouncging up and down when it hits a bump and putting maybe 200lbs of pressure from a push.

[Nismo_line]

the police have like there own standards and they arent even legal standards you can take your car to get a safety and it all passes fine then if you get pulled over and the cops fail you and you tell them you just got a safety and they just say manitoba safeties arnt up to standards lol WHOs standards nothing is ever good for the stupid cops its all a money grab

[Shadao]

but viu was not mesuring suspension properly, the bylaw is 5 inches of clearence all together, 2.5" down and 2.5" up, all the cops were doing is pressing on the side of the car trying to make the suspension go down, and saying that wasn't "5 inches"

Thats bogus, because i garuntee if you went to a cop car there wouldn't be 5 inches of down clearence when pressing on the fender....furthermore what kind of legitamit test is that, failing something because you pushed on it? big diff between 3000lbs bouncging up and down when it hits a bump and putting maybe 200lbs of pressure from a push.

i personally woudlnt let a cop push down on my car... i dont like leaning on my fenders let alone push down on them... id be afraid they might bend or dent... and if they did bend or dent you think that cop is gonna pay for the damage he did?....

i dont know if protesting in large numbers is the right thing to do in manitoba... you guys seem to have it fairly bad over there, seems corrupt... it might be better to get a group together who represents a large number of people and have a arranged sit down with the powers that be, this way you can find out there greavences and you can express yours...

the only prolem with this is sometimes people within that group have there own agendas, this very thing happened in quebec with a group that was representing a large group when they went to have a meeting with the SAAQ.... so you have to be very organised and have one person and one person only be the speaker fr your group, have everything written down so you can procceed in a linear format rather than jump around all over the place and never give a really clear and consise argument

[Tony-R32]

Thanks for the advice Shadao, i was actually thinking that the whole time myself, you need a large group of supporters, and an individual or figure head to represent them, i was actually assuming thats what people meant when they said a group would be a good idea.

The only bad part about not letting people touch your fenders is you don't have a choice. if you get pulled over by police here and they direct you into viu, than you don't have a choice. i don't believe you can refuse inspection...if you do you'd prolly be instantly towed (don't quote me) probably like refusing a breathalizer.

I really want to work towards making a solution to the situation rather than just fighting it blindly. Only problem is as a 19 year old student, i don't really have the time or funds to start, manage, and run a group like this. We need to find someone who has expertise in this type of ordeal and ask them to maybe run things.

[Nismo_line]

we currently have a organization doing so auto clubs and one other there are older members that have been asking people for the wrongful situations that have happened and they have even done interviews with local news reporters if you want give some advice i believe there is a facebook page called sunday night cruising or something and when heights is back up there are a couple threads about this

[Shadao]

Thanks for the advice Shadao, i was actually thinking that the whole time myself, you need a large group of supporters, and an individual or figure head to represent them, i was actually assuming thats what people meant when they said a group would be a good idea.

The only bad part about not letting people touch your fenders is you don't have a choice. if you get pulled over by police here and they direct you into viu, than you don't have a choice. i don't believe you can refuse inspection...if you do you'd prolly be instantly towed (don't quote me) probably like refusing a breathalizer.

I really want to work towards making a solution to the situation rather than just fighting it blindly. Only problem is as a 19 year old student, i don't really have the time or funds to start, manage, and run a group like this. We need to find someone who has expertise in this type of ordeal and ask them to maybe run things.

you guys should co-ordinate efforts with ivoac.ca im there and have helped alot of people get useful info... learn from what other people have done in regards to group efforts in stuff like this...

as for the fender thing... a cop isnt an inspector so they have no right to touch your vehicle and perform a vehicle inspection, now if they direct you to a inspection check stop thats different, but even then you can protest them pushing down on your fenders by using the argument that " pushing down on the fenders doesnt properly test the suspension "

[Tony-R32]

^ I was refering to the actual inspectors themselves when you are valled into a viu checkstop...they set up about 3 of them in the city every sunday night (cruisenight) throughout the summer now trying to target tuners, hotrodders, and any car enthusiest.

As for protesting about them incorrectly testingt he suspension...you can tell them till your blue in the face, unfortunatly they are soo power hungry that they are just going to give you a ticket anyway.

[Nismoist]

+1 to what Shadao said

You need to have one representative that is intelligent, a bit older, and above all mature and cool headed. If someone sounds off in the meeting you might as well ask them to ban RHD as well. No emotion is the only acceptable emotion. Make sure your arguments are well constructed citing specific examples such as the ones you listed and have information on hand for what is stock on a skyline.

Also dont expect to get an answer, they will likely only listen to your concerns and go back and think about them. However you should follow up with them if you havent heard anything in a couple of months.

[BRN32]

Hi, Tony, Shadao and Nismoist,

That is exactly what I was thinking/saying, let's get together and get organized. I don't personally know any other JDM owners in Winnipeg so I posted the idea here hoping to get the ball rolling.
My main issue with JDM cars is the SAE/DOT requirement for lighting. Some cars are a non-issue like Supras and RX7s as they have CDM counterparts to source from, where as Skylines and Sylvias and others do not. Should we not get the stock vehicle accepted and worry about performance modifications after?
Somethings to present to MPIC(?) purchase and present the Daniel Stern lighting doc, Some examples/ mock-ups of stock headlights modified with DOT parts, documentation of newer vehicles without DOT/SAE markings on lenses, any other things?

[Shadao]

Hi, Tony, Shadao and Nismoist,

That is exactly what I was thinking/saying, let's get together and get organized. I don't personally know any other JDM owners in Winnipeg so I posted the idea here hoping to get the ball rolling.
My main issue with JDM cars is the SAE/DOT requirement for lighting. Some cars are a non-issue like Supras and RX7s as they have CDM counterparts to source from, where as Skylines and Sylvias and others do not. Should we not get the stock vehicle accepted and worry about performance modifications after?
Somethings to present to MPIC(?) purchase and present the Daniel Stern lighting doc, Some examples/ mock-ups of stock headlights modified with DOT parts, documentation of newer vehicles without DOT/SAE markings on lenses, any other things?

well for starters motorcycles have a 800% higher chance of an accident compared to cars

get a copy of the few CWD(canadas worst driver) tv show clips with the panel of judges talking about RHD vehicles that they have used, and how driver position makes no difference...

ask them why, if in the name of safety; that all vehicles are not regularly inspected at regular intervals, and only out of province vehicles or commercial vehicles are only inspected.... then go on to say how leading auto manufacturing countries such as japan and germany have SHAKEN or things like it to ensure that vehicles on the roads are of good sound running condition.... explain the costs associatyed with SHAKEN which encourages new cars and has allowed for vehicles of great quality to still be around in japan before they get imported here...

show how these vehicles are not the "ticking time bomb of junk" or how they are dirty polluters... i beleive there is a thread somewhere here that had a person asking for e-test(ontario) and BC air care results to show that these vehicles are not the assumed polluters people have been lead to believe thy are from CADA...

explain how alot of the fear associated with these vehicles has been perpetuated by CADA and the reason for tehm to do this is money driven and not safety driven.... show MPI the CADA mandate....

i assume that mpi has used the icbc study to base there dislike of imported vehicles from.... well get the results from www.ivoac.ca that shows the study is flawed( we had UBC stats dept. tear it a new one)

talk to people in QC and PEI and find out about there bans...

[Nismoist]

Hi, Tony, Shadao and Nismoist,

That is exactly what I was thinking/saying, let's get together and get organized. I don't personally know any other JDM owners in Winnipeg so I posted the idea here hoping to get the ball rolling.
My main issue with JDM cars is the SAE/DOT requirement for lighting. Some cars are a non-issue like Supras and RX7s as they have CDM counterparts to source from, where as Skylines and Sylvias and others do not. Should we not get the stock vehicle accepted and worry about performance modifications after?
Somethings to present to MPIC(?) purchase and present the Daniel Stern lighting doc, Some examples/ mock-ups of stock headlights modified with DOT parts, documentation of newer vehicles without DOT/SAE markings on lenses, any other things?

BRN32 I can help you out from a strategic point of view but I live in Toronto and therefore I wont be able to help you 'on the ground' so to speak. You do seem to be going the right direction with this though, just make sure all your requests are within the provincial (not federal)mandate when you meet with them. By addressing only the things that they have responsibility for you show that you have done your research and arent just coming in to complain. Also wear a suit and tie, the first impression is half the battle.

well for starters motorcycles have a 800% higher chance of an accident compared to cars

get a copy of the few CWD(canadas worst driver) tv show clips with the panel of judges talking about RHD vehicles that they have used, and how driver position makes no difference...

ask them why, if in the name of safety; that all vehicles are not regularly inspected at regular intervals, and only out of province vehicles or commercial vehicles are only inspected.... then go on to say how leading auto manufacturing countries such as japan and germany have SHAKEN or things like it to ensure that vehicles on the roads are of good sound running condition.... explain the costs associatyed with SHAKEN which encourages new cars and has allowed for vehicles of great quality to still be around in japan before they get imported here...

show how these vehicles are not the "ticking time bomb of junk" or how they are dirty polluters... i beleive there is a thread somewhere here that had a person asking for e-test(ontario) and BC air care results to show that these vehicles are not the assumed polluters people have been lead to believe thy are from CADA...

explain how alot of the fear associated with these vehicles has been perpetuated by CADA and the reason for tehm to do this is money driven and not safety driven.... show MPI the CADA mandate....

i assume that mpi has used the icbc study to base there dislike of imported vehicles from.... well get the results from www.ivoac.ca that shows the study is flawed( we had UBC stats dept. tear it a new one)

talk to people in QC and PEI and find out about there bans...

I like Shadaos comments in general but I do have a few points:

Dont enter into the banning RHD debate unless it is on the table, once you open the can of worms it is hard to close. However you need to make sure you are able to answer questions if it comes up.

The SHAKEN argument must be very well designed as it can go counter to your point in two possible ways:
1. Essentially you could be advocating for increased inspections.
2. It may be seen that Japan is using the Canadian market as a dumping ground for vehicles they cant certify.

The better option is to use the emissions argument as the main point to show they are well maintained and efficient vehicles and use SHAKEN as a supporting argument. If you talk to Matty from RightDrive he was gathering some e-test data that he may be willing to share.

Good luck

[BRN32]

We don't really have a "hate" attitude towards RHD from MPI as an example there is a RHD Rolls Royce that is usually out every Sunday and I haven't heard anything about him being bothered at all. The biggest hurtle we face is compliance issues, mainly lights and seat belts. Seat belts can be replaced out of domestic cars with some fiddling around, but lights we have to do some serious messing around. It would be nice if we could run stock tail and front corners with a modified stock head lamp, instead of accord lights and trailer lenses on the back!

The inspection stations set up around the city on cruise nights isn't just targeting RHDs, but also customs, and hotrods(domestic and import). The skylines get dragged in because they know our factory lighting and s**t ain't up to "standards". Stock classics and modern cars with minimal mods such as wheels and exhaust usually aren't bothered. Some of our members here don't realize that the MSRA supports the VI's as to keep the hobby of building and tuning safe for the public, car builders, and from being completely banned here, which is what MPI was seriously considering about ten years ago. I'm 39 years old and have seen and been a part of (in my teens) some of the antics that have happened on cruise nights that have pushed MPI to be the Nazi's they are.

[Dragon Humper]

They are still whining about the lights (other than headlights). I'll take the JDM lights anyday over the stuff that is on ANY car that's pre 1970ish. I've stumbled on some of the cars that have come from MB to BC and saw what they did to the tails (trailer lenses over the factory lenses). Don't those Bozos realize that they are making the already dim-ish JDM tails even more dim by adding another lense overtop. I'm glad I don't live in the 'Peg anymore, I would most likely punch some MPI meathead out. I've had more than my fair share of cars that would be one their radar (old stuff, I'm 39 too).

The seatbelts are another joke. They will let 40 year old belts (lap only to boot) in a '60s classic slide, but you need new ones. The JDM belts are the same quallity as the ones they put in the export cars, it's rediculous.



Jon.