dinner , dessert and then q's about r32gtr vs srt4 vs 350z

[QuietChaos]

FF wasn't meant for sports cars. It was meant for economy, everyday driving. It's cheaper for manufacturers to produce FF cars, and there are a few advantages. Less drivetrain loss for example, as opposed to an FR car. To make a sports car from an FF platform isn't natural, and it will never replace FR.

From the "sports cars" that are FF though, there are a few decent ones.

The Acura TL-S is a decent sedan, although you could do much better for the money.
Mitsubishi FTO was decent as well.
There are a few good, mostly older Celicas out there.
The Cobalt SS is a very competitive car, great engine and handling.
Integra Type-R is usually regarded as the best handling FF car out there.
Mazdaspeed 3's are much faster than some expect and fairly fun to drive. I was very impressed with it.

Just the few that come to mind for most people. Honestly, I think the 4 cyl. found in the SRT-4's are good motors, but the Neon is still a terrible car, regardless of the drivetrain crammed into it. Caliber SRT-4 might be marginally better. Regardless, I still believe too many SRT-4 owners are douche bags.

[JD74]

Threads like this are pointless.

I got kills over a C5 Z06, C63 AMG and a C6 Vette.

Those are the cars that I aim for.

Why would I want to care about any flavour of SRT-4 ......or even a MazdaSpeed3 ?

The Neon SRT-4 is KING of FF in these parts (Alberta)......look at the yearly 'Time Slip Challenges' in Alberta, but I still don't want one.

I LOVe my GTR......

[Invictus]

my 1991 gtr is 18 years old, with a few performance bolt ons. I have a friend with a Brand new SRT-4, aftermarket turbo, intercooler, chip, full exhaust and intake, and i pulled on him about four car lengths in the quarter... there's something wrong with that picture. GTRwin

[jmstelter]

marginally better. Regardless, I still believe too many SRT-4 owners are douche bags.

From what I've experienecd this is well on its way to being a proven fact.

[hyunil227]

The Acura TL-S is a decent sedan, although you could do much better for the money.

I have to disagree with that, buddy. I used to own 2007 TL-S and the car is amazing. You throw in all the basic options that's available to TL-S to any descent sedan, the price will be well over TL-S's. The car is fun to drive, good-looking, and very well equipped for the price. Of course, if it's only performance that you're after, I would say you're correct but to most consumers, it's not the case.

* I know we're talking about sports cars here, but since you've mentioned "a decent sedan"

[QuietChaos]

Make that a decent sports sedan. It's faster than I expected, and very well equipped. It's a good DD compromise for most folks, but it lacks the luxury and refinement of a say, 3-series, and it's not quite as fun to drive or good looking as a G35/37. I don't think the FWD is making it any better.

[Oakville]

You can win in an SRT-4, but you'll still be a d-bag in a domestic economy car.

LOL soo true

[RABBIT]

srt4? gtfo .

[RABBIT]

you knwo what would win ? any of them if they had a RB24S that thing is just made of win

[hyunil227]

Make that a decent sports sedan. It's faster than I expected, and very well equipped. It's a good DD compromise for most folks, but it lacks the luxury and refinement of a say, 3-series, and it's not quite as fun to drive or good looking as a G35/37. I don't think the FWD is making it any better.

Very true but TL-S has way better reliability than 3-series Also personally, I prefer TL-S over G35 when it comes to the looks. (Maybe just because there's too many G35s out there...) But the new TLs look like ****. They look like SF anime cars...

[DarkCaporaL]

you knwo what would win ? any of them if they had a RB24S that thing is just made of win

I think the last 10 posts from RABBIT had "RB24S" in it. lol.

[QuietChaos]

Very true but TL-S has way better reliability than 3-series Also personally, I prefer TL-S over G35 when it comes to the looks. (Maybe just because there's too many G35s out there...) But the new TLs look like ****. They look like SF anime cars...

I'm not sure about that, the 3 series has always been very reliable. Hell, it's the best selling luxury car in North America. And whether it has 2 or 4 doors, it handles very well, always has. It's like the Honda Civic for the entry-level luxury car segment.

New TL's look like every other new Acura with that big shield grill.

[RABBIT]

I think the last 10 posts from RABBIT had "RB24S" in it. lol.

obv how can i not talk abotu the RBwinsauce24S all day long , tughhhh

[R32GTS-R]

Extensive experience with skylines and srt4

Well I own a gtst and with a fmic and 14psi I stayed even with a 18psi srt4. but now my wife owns an srt4 making around 300whp. needless to say it is way faster than my gtst for the same price. In my group of friends I am the bastard child; 12 srt4s and 1 gtst and an R35! One srt4 with only $3000 in it can hang low 12s on street tires (has beaten 2 local gtrs one claiming 400+hp but not dynoed). either way for me 1st is a skyline 2nd is srt4. also can't bang for buck; bone stock srt4 (210-230whp and 235-245wtq) + $1000 = dynoed 315whp and 400wtq.

[tokes]

obv how can i not talk abotu the RBwinsauce24S all day long , tughhhh

what is that, some abominal mix of an RB26 with an RB20 crank?