Jokers Selling parts

[GTRPower]

Feds in the states dont really care if you own a skyline as long as you are not trying to sell them! for personal use you should be fine! read up the story on Big Bird R33 getting crushed

Not true. They care. Stop spreading lies. In the US, if you own any car that is not NHTSA approved to drive on public roads, yet operate said vehicle on public roads, then you are committing a crime. If you own a car that came in illegally, that car can and will be seized, and crushed. If you register an illegal car at your local DMV and fill the forms with false statements, you are committing a crime. Ignorance of the law is not immunity from the law.

Big Bird was NOT bond released. There were circumstances that were unique to it and the reason why it was crushed, and it fell through the cracks at MotoRex before it was certified. Don't take one oddball example and assume all others are the same. Cars importd illegally- US Customs issue. Cars operated illegally on US roads, NHTSA and EPA issue. Cars registered with false statements- state DMV and by default, state Police issue. How many different groups of people in the government do you want to piss off?

[Rush_in]

That's how law is fought, circumstance of one apply to all.. some states have no regulation on track cars so you can bring in anything you want as long as its not on the streets! Some countys have no EPA regulation so that falls off, if you apply for the kit car title in you state and IF you get it( seeming as you have proof that you have assembled it out of various cars(which is not hard with these cars)) then NHTSA falls off, if you fill out the tittle information correctly(real make model vin) Then the local law falls off! And welcome to the grey market. And im not talking about one that is registered as a 240 because that is bullship and false hope plus a federal crime

Talking from experience not out of my rear end!

[ColinR33]

I think your best bet is some of the vendors on the forum unless someone has one they are selling. Adam at Feast or Daryl at Rightdrive are two that jump to mind.

Well guy i dont know what his problem is i not like i asked for a donation, Im paying for the part. Oh buy the way I'm in the Caribbean. Well i might as well ask in here I looking for the rear diff off a R32 gts 4. Anyone knowing where i can get one please let me know. I will pay shipping to Miami or New York. Thanks Guys

[GTRPower]

That's how law is fought, circumstance of one apply to all.. some states have no regulation on track cars so you can bring in anything you want as long as its not on the streets! Some countys have no EPA regulation so that falls off, if you apply for the kit car title in you state and IF you get it( seeming as you have proof that you have assembled it out of various cars(which is not hard with these cars)) then NHTSA falls off, if you fill out the tittle information correctly(real make model vin) Then the local law falls off! And welcome to the grey market. And im not talking about one that is registered as a 240 because that is bullship and false hope plus a federal crime

Talking from experience not out of my rear end!

How do you think cars come in as track cars?

Do you think US Customs requires such cars to be declared? (Answer- Yes)
If declared as a track/race car, do you think it can look or be easily converted into a street car? (Answer- No)
If it can be converted back into a street car, do you think it needs clearance by NHTSA and EPA? (Answer- Yes)
Can you register a mass produced car that already has a VIN as something else legally? (Answer- No)

What you did, or proposed to do, is illegal. Just because you did it, and got away with it for the time being, doesn't make it legal. Ignorance of the law does not make you immune to the law. If you are so confident about your procedure, lets get Homeland Security (ICE and US Customs), NHTSA, and the state DMV to take a close look at this supposed "kit car." I'm sure they would agree with me.

[GTRPower]

Huh??

First, the 3 models are NOT substantially similar. Second, there is no way in hell that they are DOT compliant. Third, the R33s were the ONLY cars that were not imported under false pretences and are not concidered contraband. The FACT is that all the landed R32s and 34s before the FEDs found out that the crash data did not apply are not supposed to be in the country unless they are showcar/racecar and owned by a company/race team/movie car contractor.

Oh really?

NHTSA were the ones who said the the models were substantially similar. That is a FACT. That is why they did not require additional crash testing. I was there for one of the tests at MGA in Wisconsin. Where were you when MotoRex had additions cars waiting to be tested, and NHTSA said, don't bother, these are similar enough, we have enough data?

After Nissan provided a letter saying that the three models would crash differently (note, not that they would NOT meet or exceed NHTSA test requirements, nor that the three were not similar enough for testing purposes) NHTSA rescinded approval, FIVE YEARS LATER. Learn to read between the lines, Nissan was coming out with the R35 GT-R, the last thing they wanted was consumer confusion with legally imported grey market vehicles in a market they previously did not compete in.

I now personally have two GT-Rs that have NHTSA approval, my original owner 1992 Skyline GT-R I bought 20 years ago, and my newer 1994 Skyline GT-R I picked up three months ago. Both have NHTSA bond release, both VIN are registered at NHTSA as a documented, street legal car. If I choose to sell my cars, any prospective buyer can call NHTSA for VIN verification that the car has been approved for public road use, and they will get a letter from NHTSA stating that fact.

Are you going to shovel more crap about something you seem to know very little about?

Next time don't fight with a mod. We can read everything posted, even deleted posts.

I hardly think it's a coincidence that the 3 Skylines I saw at SEMA were R33s. They are not the ones afraid to have their cars seen in a VERY public place. Talking out of my bum......lol. Who are you anyway, how is it I have no idea who you are and your a moderator with so little posts and been here since 2004?

Besides, who cares, you guys are going to be all over the R32 like a fat kid on a Smartie in 2 years anyway, no need to fear the man.




Jon.

There are plenty of other legal GT-Rs in the USA. Just because YOU don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. Who the heck are YOU? Not everyone wants to be at SEMA. I, for one, don't want to trailer my car 2000 miles for a industry trade show. Been there, done that, waste of time.

Why the heck do you need to know who I am? You are wrong, I am correcting you. Take your medicine and be a good boy. I've forgotten more about these cars than you probably have ever known. Stop posting garbage and we're all good.

[Dragon Humper]

Ok Buba, your not acting very mod like. Like I said in my reasons for deleting, not worth my time to argue with some random dude with a god complex because he's a mod. Your responses are exactly why I deleted my post. You are NOT fully informed as to what is happening in your own country (what a shock) and you are acting like a child.


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Jon.

[GTRPower]

Ok Buba, your not acting very mod like. Like I said in my reasons for deleting, not worth my time to argue with some random dude with a god complex because he's a mod. Your responses are exactly why I deleted my post. You are NOT fully informed as to what is happening in your own country (what a shock) and you are acting like a child.


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Jon.

It sounds like you are the one not fully informed. I wonder why? Maybe you don't have any idea who the movers and shakers are over here in the US concerning Skyline GT-Rs? People who I work with are in contact with NHTSA constantly. How about you?

No God complex. Just correcting pure drivel written by someone who has no idea what he is talking about. Fed laws trump State. Every time. In every part of the USA. Not that hard to understand.

[GTRPower]

Race car importation to the USA-

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/Racing/Racing.html

From my good friend Sean Morris' blog, importation of cars into the USA-

http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2009/08/importation-and-legalization-of.html

Now perhaps an apology would be in order, but I wouldn't expect it from someone like you.

[Rush_in]

perhaps you slightly miss understood me, i didn't mean Import it as a track car and then register it. i ment as import it as a track car to keep it for off road use only as one of the ways you could get it as an 89 R32 is a race car that went in to production! Thast my mistake and i apoligize

And where do you live if you dont mind me asking that you bought a Brand new at the time R32 that NHTSA approved 20 years ago?

[GTRPower]

perhaps you slightly miss understood me, i didn't mean Import it as a track car and then register it. i ment as import it as a track car to keep it for off road use only as one of the ways you could get it as an 89 R32 is a race car that went in to production! Thast my mistake and i apoligize

And where do you live if you dont mind me asking that you bought a Brand new at the time R32 that NHTSA approved 20 years ago?

Rush_in- That is still not possible. R32 GT-R is still a street legal car, not track car, unless you show either history of the actual vehicle in question being a track only car, or the series that this car will race, with the understanding that it will be converted into a race car and never be street legal. NHTSA still has to grant approval either way. EPA, not so much- they only grant approval on the street legal cars. US Customs (part of ICE) is another hurdle, because you can possibly provide false statements to get the car into the country (which is how a lot of the illegal cars come in- via container as "parts," aka smuggling, or other illegal acts). Nice thing about ICE, it is a part of DHS. Not a Department you want on your bad side.

As for me- I bought my car a long time ago, while I was living in Hong Kong. Had it there for many years, until MotoRex came about and I had them convert it for US highway use. I was literally their first customer, and knew them before they were even "MotoRex."

[JZ]

Guys,

GTRPower is a friend of the forum and one of the very first guys I *recruited* to be a mod here at GTRC when we first started the place. Heck, he was on our mailing list when GTRC didn't even exist.

I would be very wary of arguing facts with him, Tyndago or rickskyinegtrbnr32 (I'll just refer to him as Okinawa Rick lol). They have been supporting the North American (note I did not say just Canada) GTR scene before Nissan ever thought it was worthwhile to bring the marque to our market. Pioneers, all.

Good to see you back on the forums N.

[Rush_in]

i appreciate you view and opinion Power and at some point in time i would like to pick your brain sort to speak a little more, simply because you have first hand knowledge. everything you posted i red before and pretty much everything else on tydango site and nhtsa site but as everyone else knows personal experience beat reading every time

[GTRPower]

Thanks guys.

Like I've said before, I'm not the most diplomatic guy. Say something wrong, continue spreading false rumors, speak 1/2 truths- if I see it, I'll speak up and tell you what is right and what is wrong. The problem with the internet is, if you see it enough times, you start to think it's right, when in fact it could very well be wrong. I've put cold, hard facts behind what I've written- facts directly from the US Government.

JZ- I've been lurking for about 2 years now... Getting "Jeff" (the silver one) kind of immersed me back in. Once it's all sorted, I'll have a hard time choosing which car to drive- but my wife will want to take the Touareg every single time!

[GTRC Admin]

Nice to see you back Nick!