Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump/cell package.

[MakCustomsProject]

Alright Guys I know there has been a **** ton of threads on different types of fuel delivery methods. Some guys swear to a 2x bocsh setup others squeeze two pumps in tank. I've looked at sard, tomei, Bosch, Weldon and aeromotive etc. Now I'm the kind of person who wants to do things the easy way. Serge tanks, swirl pots, dual setups to be honest with you are confusing to me. I want something that I can bolt in and safely push 800 hp. I think I have found something thats gunna work for me. I basically just want your opinion. And if there are any gurus out there with some nice setups PLESE post some pics for us guys who have to see the setup to get a good idea of how shits supposed to work. This is the setup I plan on purchasing.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AEI-18660/

P.s. Is this mofo gunna fit in the trunk opening?

[RWDragoon]

Nice Kit, BUT

We have had 2 x Aeromotive Fuel pumps fail on us!! Using all the specifications they require, the fancy voltage regulator from aeromotive has also failed too! Also be warned these pumps are LOUD!! We have a 3rd one in our shop 875whp Camaro if you want to see and hear it.

I have been doing a bunch of research into a good fuel system setup and from good friends and shops that we deal with we have decided to use Weldon 1100A's for big power seutps. They seem to be the one of the best priced, most reliable pumps on the market. They also supply decent flow charts.

Unfortunatly they dont come with a nice tank and filters as this setup does.

[MakCustomsProject]

Damn I knew someone would rain on my parade. But you've got the evidence to back it up. 2/3 pumps going bad is not a reliable ratio. The great thing about this setup was it's simplicity.

I know Weldon makes some very high horse power pumps and they all come with a lifetime warranty.

So now I guess I'm forced to go back to the drawing board. Does anyone know know where to buy a good fuel cell to fit in a 32GTR?

Someone out there has to be running a tech setup that can explain in detail with pics the best way to go about running high hp safely!! And in English so all of us "slow" learners can get it lol. I diagram would really help too.

should I just buy a cell an throw a big inline pump in it and call er good?

[RWDragoon]

Are you full race? Do you need a cell? Thats my first questions.

[MakCustomsProject]

I'm about as close to race as you an get without be considered a true track only car. The only thing that I "need" to race is a weld in cage. Right now I only have a bolt in. I do plan for a weld in at some point in the near future. I gotta friend who makes some of the nicest weld in cages I've ever seen. Now I'm getting off topic...

Here's my list of upgrades so you can have a feel for my build.

Deep breath...

Well the long block itself I bought new from japan. It's the N1 model which correct me if I'm wrong, they used this engine in the Nur spec R34? Anyway I know it's R34 cuz I ended up having to buy a crank angle sensor for it and let me tell you that wasn't cheap! Well life kicked my square and that engine didn't last very long. Ended up having to rebuild and thats when I decided to check out Lightspeed. They rebuilt and balanced the long block with CP Forged Pistons and connecting rods. Here's a list of power/functional upgrades on the car: HKS Intercooler piping, 4" custom exhaust, AP Racing calipers (front), Trust/Greddy head gasket, 880cc injectors, ORC twin plate clutch, super serpeant front pipe, AEM wideband, GTR tourqe split controller, NGK sparks, magnetic drain plug, Nismo clutch release fork, bolt in cage, inner rear tie rods, HICAS eliminator bar, new bushings throughout, SARD breather tank, Greddy oil catch, relocate battery, Momo wheel and quick release hub, stainless exhaust manifolds, aluminum radiator, Greddy oil cooler, new Nismo motor mounts, Blitz SS blowoff valves, Samco hose kit, stitch weld, cicuit breakers, Nismo 2-way diff, CP pistons and rods, ARP headstuds, HKS DSBC boost controller, Techtom Rev limit/ launch control, front upper links (camber correct), twin GT28 60Rs, split flow turbo dumps, APEXi air filters, Defi link II, SARD fuel rail and fule pressure reg, Greddy oil relocate, Nismo thermostat, Blitz turbo timer, Nismo braided clutch line, APEXi Power FC D-Jetro, rear upper control arms, Splitfire coil packs, HSD suspension, HKS oversized FMIC, Optima gel cell battery, Nismo front and rear sway bars, fibre glass fenders, N1 front diff, N1 oil pump, under coating (rust protection).
Interior Removed 60% of the interior ( back seats, roof liner, no heat no AC no climate control etc).. Upgrades: Defi Link II, bolt in cage, Momo wheel and quick release hub, Nismo shift knob, Willans harness, Bride Bucket, HKS DSBC boost control, GTR tourge split control, Techtom Rev/launch control, Drift E-Brake button, Blitz turbo timer, APEXi Power FC D-Jetro, Nismo 320km/h speedo.

I copy and pasted that from another site. I realize slot of the parts don't have anything to do with my fuel problem.. But I'm on a iPhone and I'm to lazy to edit the list (my bad).

What do ya think? I drag the car and slid it around on the streets. My worry would be if I had less than half a tank and the sloshing problems and what not.

[RWDragoon]

Very nice build!

So then what it comes down to is simple.

You either build a nice setup, that usually includes a decent surge tank and keep your factory fuel tank. Thus minimizing how much room we take up in your trunk.

Or we throw out the complete stock setup and go for a fuel cell, race pump, and call it a day! You have a few options as for mounting as well. Might be able to make stock location work, or like you had looked into putting it into the trunk!

From this decision then we can work on the details!

Depending on how fast you plan on racing, that will determine if you NEED a fuel cell or not (it would be a DAMN fast car to NEED one)

[MakCustomsProject]

Ok well I'm not planning on entering any gtp events any time soon. This project is about going pretty damn fast when I want and how I want (safely) for the car and the other people on the road. For the most part I've tried not to cheap out on the build. If I knew then what I know now I would have done a few things in different order. Again i'm gettin off topic...

Going with option one I would be using the stock fuel tank and pump (or say a 040 ) to fill my serge tank and an additional "inline" pump say good for 700rwhp (overkill) and the proper filters?

Option two find a cell worthy (having a hard time tracking one down HELP) and a big "in tank" or "inline" pump and no serge tank?? This is where I'm lost.

Thanx for your help BTW

[RWDragoon]

Option one:
Mildly upgraded pump (I would do something that is a direct or near direct bolt in for simplicity) Low-Pressure feeds into a surge tank. Out of your surge tank through a coarse filter, into a Weldon 1100-A. Out of your pump into a good filter down some -10 fuel line into a Y block. 2 Feeds out of Y block feed each side of your fuel rail. Center return through a Weldon bypass style fuel pressure regulator and -8 return line that goes back into your surge tank. From your surge tank a line that drains back into your factory tank. This way your surge tank always has maximum priority at staying full.

You could do 1000hp with this setup, but some custom mounting, and possibly fabrication skills are necessary. Reliability would be fantastic, noise would be fairly low, factory fuel gauge would work, and still have a partial or empty trunk, but no crash protection of a fuel cell.

Option 2:
buy a good quality fuel cell. some serious race teams still use a surge tank to maximize redundancy. Loose your factory tank, and sending unit. Either spend a fair amount of time to re-mount your factory fuel sending unit so your factory gauge works (with custom extended harness) or purchase aftermarket fuel gauge.

Likely will take up most of your trunk (unless you mount in stock location with some good creativity and some good fabrication)

[MakCustomsProject]

Finally someone explained this clearly.. This is shaping up to be a good thread! Anyone else have input? Not that much is needed.. Pics would be great!

[RWDragoon]

Here is a setup we built last year. I will try and break it down so its simple.

FD3S RX7's are very fuel hungry, and this customer wanted a reliable fuel setup that could support as much as 1000whp and he supplied parts of this setup so we decided to go with it.

OE fuel tank:
RX7 Dual hanger fuel pump bracket (heavily modified due to poor design) including Mil-Spec electrical connector. Each pump has its own relay and fuse system.
2 x FD3S Fuel pumps (roughly 240-260lph)

Surge tank:
Is fed by 2 x FD3S fuel pumps
Output is 2 x Sard 280lph pumps (each as its own relay and fuse)
pump output T's into 1 -10 fuel line. This line is fed to the front of the car, ten splits into a T again. 1 line to primary fuel rail, 1 line to secondary fuel rail. Both rails flow into fuel pressure regulator, and then the line flows back to the surge tank. The final hose on the surge tank drains into factory fuel tank when surge tank is full.

**note surge tank was properly mounted when completed, but we dont have pictures of the mounting bracket!

[333]

fuel system

ztune has RIPS fuel systems, they have systems for different hp levels and are bolt-on. They pretty much come with everything needed to install in the car. Give one of the Mikes a call and they will set you up.

[MakCustomsProject]

I've looked at RIPS. Are they serge tanks or fuel cells? They say there serge tanks so I asume that's what they are. I would still need to run say a 040 or tomei pump in my oem tank to feed the serge tank, correct? I should have dubbed this thread " fuel systems for dummies".

[EtienneGignac]

Ok enough. It's "surge" not "serge"... :P

[RWDragoon]

You could, but any decent pump (even stock or 255) will flow big numbers like 3-400lph at 0-5 psi. A good pump will flow big numbers at high pressure (4-7BAR), that's what makes them a good pump!

I've looked at RIPS. Are they serge tanks or fuel cells? They say there serge tanks so I asume that's what they are. I would still need to run say a 040 or tomei pump in my oem tank to feed the serge tank, correct? I should have dubbed this thread " fuel systems for dummies".

[MakCustomsProject]

Ha you caught me! lol i cant spell! probably more than just "surge" spelt incorrectly.

Thanx for all the help guys if anyone has anymore input please spit it out!