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  • Turbo Swap - From Stock To Top Mount

    Yesterday, Ali and I embarked on the project of swapping out my car's turbo. Some of you know, I had bought an XS Power top mount kit, for which I did receive some flames on and off the forum, lol. But I have soldiered on and tried to reinforce some of the stuff on it.

    Anyway, I decided to make a write-up on how we have gopne about doing it. The project is still far from complete, as we still havent installed the turbo, and need the custom piping made, but anyway, I will continue to add to this as and when we progress. For now, enjoy what we have done so far. Here is a step-by step guide on what we did and how we did it.

    1. Disconnect the intake piping - remove from the throttle body on one side and the intercooler on the other

    2. Disconnect the oil catch lines and all vacuum lines leading to/from the intake piping

    3. Disconnect the battery and MAF

    4. Remove the turbo intake pipe and set it aside. Leafve the MAF on it

    5. Disconnect and remove the intercooler-turbo line

    6. Spray WD-40 or some other lubricant on ALL the bolts and nuts on the turbo flange, the exhaust manifold, and turbo downpipe. This is very important, especially in my case, since there was quite a bit of rust on some of the bolts and we did NOT realize we needed to do it, until I snapped a bolt on the flange that connects the turbo to the downpipe. Wait for a couple of minutes and have a smoke or a beer or just make fun of people driving by in the parking lot

    7. Disconnect the downpipe from the turbo - they are held together by FOUR bolts on the top and two nuts on the bottom. I think they are all 13mm. The lower two nuts are a B%$&# to get to, so this is what we did - we jacked up the car from the front and put it on jackstands.

    Then we did rock paper scissors to see who would go under the knife.......err...............car. I lost. First we thought that maybe we should disconnect the turbo WITH the downpipe and just disconnect the three bolts holding the downpipe with the exhaust (the triangular flange that has 14mm bolts). But they wouldn't even budge. The socket got stuck on one of them and I spent a good part of an hour under it, trying to pry it out. It did, but after me realizing that looking under the car for so long was not the healthiest of sights for me and I needed to somehow get out from under it. That's when we decided to just unbolt the downpipe from the turbo.

    Now it was Ali's turn to get under the car - being slim, he fit in nicely under it and he was able to reach the two b%$^& nuts on the underside of the turbo-downpipe flange and open them up.

    8. Using a 17mm spanner (you North Americans call it a wrench - sooooooooo wrong!!) open the four (04) nuts on the turbo flange. Remember to straighten the metal strips around the nuts - they come in the way of opening them. Once these four nuts are removed, the turbo will come loose. DO NOT REMOVE IT JUST YET.

    9. Since my top mount turbo does not have a coolant line in, I needed to block off the coolant lines for the turbo. If your turbo uses coolant line, connect it by either extending it or redirecting it - use a flexible braided line.

    10. Disconnect the oil feed line on top of the turbo - I think it is 14mm bolt. You will need to remove this line to put in a stainless steel braided line that I bought off of Ebay - awesome product, and works perfectly. Slowly wiggle the turbo after removing the oil and coolant lines. You will notice that there is something holding the turbo in place - its the oil return line, the fat pipe that runs from under the bottom of the turbo to the engine block. Get under the car and pull it out. WATCH OUT FOR OIL SPLATTER!! Gives you bad taste in the mouth and burns your eyes. TRUST ME ON THAT!!

    11. After the oil and coolant lines are disconnected, the turbo will come right out. Make sure that any vacuum lines on it and on the wastegate are removed. Double make sure.

    Put the turbo aside and cover its face and ass as well as the flange with some cloth stuffed into the holes. You dont want ANYTHING getting into it.

    Now it will be much easier to remove the downpipe from the exhaust at the triangular flange. Use 14mm wrench/spanner. When you remove the turbo, the exhaust will likely fall to the ground. To prevent any bends or cracks in the exhaust, put a jackstand under the pipe to keep it in its place.

    12. Now comes the delicate part. Due to heat and wear, the exhaust manifold studs can easily snap. I discovered one of mine was already snapped from the time we did the RB25DET swap and I forgot about it. Its not leaking, but still.........

    We resprayed all the nuts holding the exhaust manifold in place with WD-40/lubricant and let it seep thru for a few minutes. Then using an alternate pattern, opened the nuts, ONE AT A TIME. When all the nuts come off, the exhaust manifold will come off loose. Carefully remove the damn thing. I am selling it now - its in pretty decent shape - bought it new less than a year ago. Remove the manifold gasket too as you need to put a new gasket in.

    13. Depending on the location, you will also need to relocate the power steering pump fluid reservoir. You may also need to extend the hoses running into/out of it.

    14. Install the steel braided oil feed line on to the block and let it hang on top of the engine. Use a 1.5 inch rubber pipe to extend the oil return line.

    14. Put the new exhaust manifold gasket on and then put the top mount exhaust manifold on. Tighten the nuts holding it one at a time by alternating thru them.

    15. The external wastegate is bolted on to the exhaust manifold by way of a seventh pipe that runs downwards from the manifold. I am using a TIAL style wastegate that has two oval outlets on the bottom. One is connected to the exhaust manifold and the other connects to the downpipe by way of a small crescent shaped pipe. The wastegate also has two vacuum line outlets on the top dome shaped part. Each of these outlets has a banjo bolt on it. Connect one to a boost controller if you need one or block it off, and the other connects to a vacuum hole in the intake piping AFTER the turbo.

    16. I am using a custom-made downpipe (3" diameter) that the wastegate connects to. The downpipe also has the bung plug welded for the O2 sensor. It has a V-band on one side and a triangular flange that bolts onto the exhaust pipe on the other end. Connect the downpipe to the exhaust pipe.

    17. Bolt the turbo on to the exhaust manifold. Don't forget to put the flange gasket between them. Connect the oil return line under the turbo. Pour some oil into the turbo from the feed hole on top and then bolt in the oil feed line. Since my turbo is a floating wet one, I needed to put some oil into it beforehand so it wouldnt run dry when I start the car. Tighten all the bolts and lines to make sure the turbo is snug fit.

    18. Using a V-band clamp, connect the downpipe to the turbo.

    19. Reconnect the intake pipe from MAF to the turbo.

    20. Connect the turbo to the intercooler. I had to use an L-shaped 2" to 2.5" reducer for that. Reconnect all the hoses.

    21. Since I am using the top mount intake manifold, I had to get a custom pipe that runs diagonal to the engine length to connect to the intercooler pipe. This was necessary to avoid it running into the top mount turbo.

    22. Reconnect all the vacuum lines, BOV, and boost controller (if you are running one)

    23. Reconnect battery and start the car - you're done!!

    Hope I have captured the jist of the whole thing and this would help others who want to do this in some way.

    Total time spent on the project - 6 hours. This does not include the time spent by the muffler shop in welding the flanges to the pipes and fabricating them.

    Difficulty level - Medium

    Frustration level - Medium to High

    Feeling at the end of the day - ORGASMIC!!
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  • #2
    Sounds good.. any pics?

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    • #3
      Pics will be coming shortly. Haven't had time to upload anything as yet. Besides, the car is not finished yet. I just wanted to do a DIY for others to see and give inputs on, so if someone else is doing it, she/he can save some money and not end up giving hundreds of dollars to a shop to do the swap.

      If a dumb ill-informed guy like me can do it, then ANYONE can.
      (O||O___SKYLINE___O||O)

      Cheap, Reliable, Fast.....PICK TWO
      SERENITY NOW!!!!!!
      HEAVY METAL IS THE LAW........EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST CRIME

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      • #4
        let me know how well that XS power manifold performs. another guy on a local forum is going to be using one of those with a T76 turbo on his MKIV supra, so if hes trusting that, it makes me rethink of the RB manifolds


        did you reuse the stock turbo with the manifold as well?
        whats going to power my skyline come spring?

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        • #5
          faq/DIY




          sweet **in write up tho
          Skyline hipster owl

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          • #6
            Over the course of the swap, there have been a few irritations that I did not anticipate. I will list them down as follows for anyone who is thinking of doing this swap:

            1. The turbo COULD end up sitting high enough for the hood to not close properly. My turbo's blower pipe did not clear the hood and it put a small dent on the underside brace. belontay_typeM (Mike) helped me with it. He told me to open the compressor housing and rotate it, till the blower pipe was facing a bit downwards. I did just that and it cleared the hood.

            2. The oil return line is a pain to install. On the stock RB25DET, it runs from the bottom left side of the block upwards at an angle of 45 degrees. The line comprises of a metal hose (1 inch dia) and then a rubber hose that connects to the block. Stock turbo connects directly to this metal hose thru an oval flange, which runs into the underside of the turbo. With this T70 turbo (XS Power), since it sits quite high on top of the exhaust manifold, I had to remove that metal hose from the stock turbo and bolt it to the underside of the turbo. Then I used a pipe cutter and cut the lower half of the metal hose. I connected it to the return line coming out of the engine block. Now all I had to do was to run a rubber pipe between the two metal hoses. It was quite painful and the cuts around my knuckles will remind me of this for some time.

            3. Power steering fluid reservoir relocation is NOT possible unless you can extend all the hoses coming into or going out of the reservoir. While some had suggested that the turbo would interfere with that, I found that it doesn't. What it does hit is the mounting bracket for the reservoir. For now, I have just removed the bracket and let the reservoir hang loose in the area where the MAF pipe resides.

            4. If the turbo does not have coolant feed and return holes, you have to find a way to connect the coolant feed and return lines. Again, as suggested by Mike, one way is to disconnect the metal line from behind the intake manifold (where it connects to a rubber hose) and run a heater hose from all the way around the back of the head to the exhaust side and connect it to the engine block at the hole where the coolant return line is screwed in. That way, you save the two metallic lines for the coolant, both of which have the hard-to-find banjo bolts. Another way is the ghetto fitting - cut the two coolant lines with a pipe cutter, keep the ends with the banjo bolts on a side and just use a heater hose to connect the two cut metallic ends. Clamp the hose on both sides.

            5. The intercooler to throttle body piping needs to be fabricated/shaped in way that it clears both the hood and the vacuum/valve cover oil vapor lines. My TRUST FMIC has its inlet and outlet both facing the left side of the car, with the piping from both utlizing the stock intercooler holes in the left front of the car (where the stock SMIC pipes run thru). And so, for me it was quite a challenge to come up with piping. Fitzy's Mean Street FIASCO PIPING came in handy. I just cut it to the desired length and joined it with come couplers with the intercooler piping.

            6. The turbo blower outlet faces the left front strut tower. I needed to use a 2", 'L' shaped pipe/coupler to turn the pipe around and run it down into the intercooler inlet pipe. And then it interfered with the reservoir. So I had to come up with an 'S' shaped pipe. It seems to be coming along alright.

            7. Now for the most amazing part - some of you I see are using it as your avatar, but the masterpiece downpipe designed by the GREAT Mean Street was a perfect shape and size. I just got another one made from the 3" U-J bend pipe I had bought.

            8. The external wastegate sits at a weird angle under the exhaust manifold. I have been thinking of running it to the atmosphere until I can drive the car to a muffler shop and ask them to connect it to the downpipe somewhere.

            9. While installing the top mount exhaust manifold. I snapped two studs - one on each end. Now I dont know how much I would suffer due to that, but am hoping that it would hold for now.

            So these are some of the things that caused frustration. The good thing is that I didnt have to go to a shop to get it all done. My friend helped me as much as possible, and one couldn't have asked for more.
            (O||O___SKYLINE___O||O)

            Cheap, Reliable, Fast.....PICK TWO
            SERENITY NOW!!!!!!
            HEAVY METAL IS THE LAW........EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST CRIME

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