Pricing of skylines in QC going CRAZZY!!!!

[archaeic_bloke]

as you all should know, the news was released today that quebec will no longer allow new RHD vehicles registerred.. a quick look for skyline GTR's on kijiji, and lespac reveals something shocking. but not that surprising.

GTR's in quebec are now being sold for $17,000 for a decent GTR with minor mods.

theres one on kijiji RIGHT now, with a broken crank the guy is asking for $12,000...

this is crazy, the pricing is going nuts!!!

[frankiman]

isn't somekind of good news for us, i mean its very bad news overall, but our cars are now worth 2x more, i could probly sell mine for 20k

anyway, they prolonged the law another 180days, we can still buy RHDs from other provinces as long as they were plated before april 29th 2009 (bought mine in march ouff)

but parts aren't going to get more expensive, thats the good thing

i just sucks that we won't be able to drive newer models as they become available for import

lets just say that i'm going to be ALOT more carefull with my current GTR than my last one... because buying another won't be an option

[Oakville]

can we tell if prices of unregistered gtrs are going down further with the next 180 days locked away as well?

[archaeic_bloke]

thats exactly my feelings frank.... we need to be a LOT more careful, especially of thieves, and accidents.

i don't think parts market will change that much, personally 90% of everything i buy for my car comes from out of province and usually out of europe, japan, or australia anyways.
so no biggy

[nelsonmxmarc]

Oakville, prices for GTR's that AREN'T regi'ed in montreal are probably worth close to nothing as they've been sitting collecting dust for the last 6 months, and now for another 6.. If they don't decide to part, they will be selling out of province, but now's a good time to buy in montreal and have it brough back to ON or elsewhere.. Unplated cars are like paper weights.. Blows..

[cobrAA]

It,s gay that we can't buy from another province.

[archaeic_bloke]

you can import from another province as long as it was plated in that province BEFORE april 29 2009.

[M13]

So they're just stopping new imports.


Nothing to do with safety, just money. That's another can of warms however...

[munzargtr]

does anyone have a link to the new report? i cant find anything on google

[nelsonmxmarc]

Yea well, i could understand if we had a dying auto indusry, but we don't. The majority of cars bought and sold here are Japanese, ie. Honda, Acura, Nissan, Infinity, Toyota... Our markets are doing reasonably well in comparison to that of the US, considering their vehicle prices undercut our retail by 20%.. If i were to buy a vehicle, the first place i'd go is the US...

At any rate, the whole issue behind this ban is that it was a "loop hole" and hardly any, if ANY money, was being made by the government upon these sales (minus regi, insurance..). So yes, Money is the leading factor here. The government wants to quit handing out freebies and recupe some losses; losses which obviously make no sense. The point is, accident statistics are just a way of diverting from the main premise, money. It's a shame that they point the finger at us and give us a bad rep, because i can honestly say someone who reads these articles then sees my car on the road will turn to his wife and say, "that's one of those dangerous cars that has statistically caused 40% more accidents then a LHD car!".... Absolutely bs.

[M13]

Yea well, i could understand if we had a dying auto indusry, but we don't. The majority of cars bought and sold here are Japanese, ie. Honda, Acura, Nissan, Infinity, Toyota... Our markets are doing reasonably well in comparison to that of the US, considering their vehicle prices undercut our retail by 20%.. If i were to buy a vehicle, the first place i'd go is the US...

At any rate, the whole issue behind this ban is that it was a "loop hole" and hardly any, if ANY money, was being made by the government upon these sales (minus regi, insurance..). So yes, Money is the leading factor here. The government wants to quit handing out freebies and recupe some losses; losses which obviously make no sense. The point is, accident statistics are just a way of diverting from the main premise, money. It's a shame that they point the finger at us and give us a bad rep, because i can honestly say someone who reads these articles then sees my car on the road will turn to his wife and say, "that's one of those dangerous cars that has statistically caused 40% more accidents then a LHD car!".... Absolutely bs.

Yes, that's the flaw. They have created this overly-exaggerated hype to scare the public from discouraging more purchases and support of RHD, but rational people still purchased RHD cars for their value, so they had to pass a law to stop this forcefully.

lame.

[archaeic_bloke]

ya i agree,, we're all being painted with a $hit colored brush!

maybe we should sue for slander, its not right that people feel "because you drive X car.. you're a hazard on the road"

when i think the truth of the matter is that those of us with these rare cars try our best to keep them out of accidents and not drive wrecklessly, because my god, the insurance rates will kill us if the accidents don't.

[nelsonmxmarc]

Can't find anything legit that states the 180 day moratorium has been extended.. So far it seems as if the press release in this mornings paper is true until otherwise proven.. Shitty buzz..

I can just imagine what's next..? Forcefuly revoking our registrations and impounding our vehicles? Lol.. Only Quebec.

[dah_hunter]

It was Tragic really that you QC guys just rolled over and seemed to take it..

here is the French article..





Order No. 2009-15 of the Minister

Transports en date du 22 octobre 2009 Transport dated October 22, 2009

Code de la sécurité routière Code road safety
(LRQ, c. C-24.2) (RSQ, c. C-24.2)

CONCERNANT l'accès aux chemins publics des véhicules Regarding access to public roads of vehicles
munis d'un poste de conduite à droite equipped with a driving position right

LA MINISTRE DES TRANSPORTS, THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT

VU le premier alinéa de l'article 633.1 du Code de la Having regard to the first paragraph of section 633.1 of the Code
sécurité routière (LRQ, c. C-24.2), suivant lequel le road safety (RSQ, c. C-24.2), after which the
ministre des Transports peut, par arrêté, après consultation Minister of Transport may, by order, after consultation
de la Société de l'assurance automobile du Québec, Society assurance automobile du Quebec,
restreindre ou interdire, pour une durée maximale de restrict or prohibit, for a maximum of
180 jours, l'accès aux chemins publics à tout modèle ou 180 days, access to public roads at any model or
à toute catégorie de véhicule qui constitue un risque any class of vehicle that poses a risk
pour la sécurité des personnes ou des biens; for the safety of persons or property;

VU le premier alinéa de cet article qui prévoit le droit Having regard to the first paragraph of this article which provides the right
pour tout intéressé de transmettre des commentaires à la for any person to submit comments to the
personne désignée à l'arrêté dans les 90 jours de sa person designated with the order within 90 days of
publication à la Gazette officielle du Québec; publication in the Gazette officielle du Québec;

VU le premier alinéa de cet article suivant lequel le Having regard to the first paragraph of this section whereby the
ministre peut par arrêté, à l'expiration des 180 jours, Minister may by order, on the expiration of 180 days,
rendre la restriction ou l'interdiction permanente; make the restriction or prohibition permanently;

VU le premier alinéa de cet article suivant lequel une Having regard to the first paragraph of this section whereby a
restriction ou une interdiction édictée en vertu de cet restriction or prohibition under this
alinéa entre en vigueur à la date de la publication de paragraph comes into force on the date of publication of
l'arrêté à la Gazette officielle du Québec; Order in the Gazette officielle du Québec;

VU le quatrième alinéa de cet article qui prévoit que Having regard to the fourth paragraph of that article provides that
l'obligation de publication prévue à l'article 8 de la Loi the publication requirement laid down in Article 8 of the Act
sur les règlements (LRQ, c. R-18.1) ne s'applique pas on regulations (RSQ, c. R-18.1) does not apply
à un arrêté pris en vertu de cet article; an order made under this section;

VU qu'il appert, après consultation de la Société, WHEREAS it appears, after consulting the Corporation,
qu'il est opportun d'interdire ou de restreindre, pour une it is appropriate to prohibit or restrict, for
durée de 180 jours, l'accès aux chemins publics à certains duration of 180 days, access to public roads in some
véhicules munis d'un poste de conduite à droite Vehicles with a post of RHD
parce qu'ils constituent un risque pour la sécurité des because they constitute a risk to safety
personnes ou des biens; persons or property;

CONSIDÉRANT QU'il ya lieu d'interdire ou de restreindre, WHEREAS it is expedient to prohibit or restrict
pour une durée de 180 jours, l'accès aux chemins for a period of 180 days, access to roads
publics aux véhicules munis d'un poste de conduite public vehicle equipped with a driving position
à droite pour les motifs invoqués par la Société; right for the reasons given by the Company;

ARRÊTE CE QUI SUIT : ADOPTED AS FOLLOWS:
1. 1. L'accès aux chemins publics est interdit aux véhicules Access to public roads is closed to vehicles
routiers munis d'un poste de conduite à droite à road equipped with a driving position right at
l'exception : except:
1° des véhicules immatriculés au Québec avant 1 vehicle registered in Quebec before
le 29 avril 2009; April 29, 2009;

2° des véhicules immatriculés à l'extérieur du Québec; 2 vehicles registered outside of Quebec;

3° des véhicules fabriqués 25 ans et plus avant la 3 vehicles manufactured 25 years or more before the
date de leur importation au Canada; date of importation into Canada;

4° des camions, des souffleuses à neige et des véhicules 4 trucks, snow blowers and vehicles
de transport d'équipement au sens du Règlement transportation equipment as defined in Regulation
sur l'immatriculation des véhicules routiers édicté par le on the road vehicle registration issued by the
décret 1420-91 du 16 octobre 1991; Decree 1420-91 of October 16, 1991;

5° des véhicules appelés à faire des arrêts répétitifs le 5 vehicles required to make repeated stops the
long d'un chemin dans le cadre d'un travail visant un along a path through a work aimed
service public; public service;

6° des véhicules-outils; 6 tool vehicles;

7° des véhicules routiers appartenant à une école de 7 ° road vehicle belonging to a school
conduite ou à un établissement qui est titulaire d'un Conduct or institution that holds a
permis pour l'enseignement de la conduite de camions allowed to teach driving truck
lourds délivré en vertu de l'article 10 de la Loi sur Heavy issued under section 10 of the Act
l'enseignement privé (LRQ, c. E-9.1). private education (RSQ, c. E-9.1).

2. 2. Les véhicules légers immatriculés avant le 29 avril Light vehicles registered before April 29
2009, en usage sur les chemins publics, doivent : 2009, used on public roads should:
1° être immatriculés comme véhicule de promenade 1 ° be registered as passenger vehicle
à circulation restreinte; circulation restricted;

2° être munis d'une plaque d'immatriculation portant 2 bear a registration plate bearing
le préfixe « C » conformément à l'article 124 du the prefix "C" under Article 124
Règlement sur l'immatriculation des véhicules routiers, Regulations on registration of road vehicles,
édicté par le décret numéro 1420-91 du 16 octobre 1991. enacted by Decree No. 1420-91 of October 16, 1991.
Pour l'application du présent arrêté, on entend par « For the purposes of this Order, the term "
véhicule léger » un véhicule routier muni d'un poste de light vehicle "means a road vehicle equipped with a position
conduite à droite, autre qu'un véhicule à deux roues, qui RHD, other than a two-wheeled vehicle, which
satisfait aux exigences suivantes lors de sa vente au satisfies the following requirements at its sale
premier usager : first user:
1° une longueur de 3,4 mètres ou moins; 1 length of 3.4 meters or less;

2° une largeur de 1,48 mètre ou moins; 2 ° a width of 1.48 meter or less;
5100A GAZETTE OFFICIELLE DU QUÉBEC, 26 octobre 2009, 141e année, no 42A Partie 2 5100A OFFICIAL GAZETTE OF QUEBEC, October 26, 2009, 141st year, No. 42A Part 2

3° une hauteur de 2,0 mètres ou moins; 3 a height of 2.0 meters or less;

4° un moteur d'une cylindrée de 660 cm3 ou moins; 4 an engine displacement of 660 cm3 or less;

5° un moteur d'une puissance de 47,7 kW ou moins. 5 an engine power of 47.7 kW or less.

3. 3. Nul ne peut conduire un véhicule léger sur un No person shall drive a vehicle on a slight
chemin public sur lequel la vitesse maximale permise est public road on which the maximum speed allowed is
de plus de 70 km/h. over 70 km / h.

4. 4. Les véhicules routiers immatriculés avant le 29 Road vehicles registered before 29
avril 2009, au moyen d'un certificat d'immatriculation April 2009, through a registration certificate
temporaire ou d'une plaque d'immatriculation amovible, Temporary or removable plate,
ne peuvent se prévaloir de l'exception prévue au can not invoke the exception in
paragraphe 1° de l'article 1. Paragraph 1 of Article 1.

5. 5. Le propriétaire d'un véhicule léger qui contrevient The owner of a light vehicle that contravenes
à l'article 2 commet une infraction et est passible d'une Article 2 commits an offense and is liable to a
amende de 300 $ à 360 $. fine of $ 300 to $ 360.
6. 6. Quiconque contrevient à l'article 3 commet une Anyone who contravenes section 3 commits an
infraction et est passible d'une amende de 300 $ à 360 $. offense and is liable to a fine of $ 300 to $ 360.

7. 7. Tout intéressé peut transmettre ses commentaires Any interested party may submit comments
portant sur le présent arrêté avant le24 janvier on this order before January le24
2010, à monsieur Mark Baril, Société de l'assurance 2010, Sir Mark Baril Insurance Corporation
automobile du Québec, 333, boulevard Jean-Lesage, automobile du Québec 333, boulevard Jean-Lesage
C-4-21, CP 19600, Québec (Québec) G1K 8J6, courriel C-4-21, CP 19600, Québec (Québec) G1K 8J6, email
Mark.Baril@saaq.gouv.qc.ca Mark.Baril @ saaq.gouv.qc.ca

8. 8. Le présent arrêté entre en vigueur le 26 octobre This Order comes into force October 26
2009 à l'exception des articles 2, 3, 5 et 6 qui entreront 2009 with the exception of Articles 2, 3, 5 and 6 which will
en vigueur le 27 décembre 2009. effective December 27, 2009. Il est abrogé le24 avril It was repealed in April le24
2010. 2010.

La ministre des Transports, The Minister of Transport,
JULIE BOULET JULIE BOULET
52599 52599

[dah_hunter]

Here is a Rough Englist Translation..



Order No. 2009-15 of the Minister

Transport dated October 22, 2009 Transportation dated October 22, 2009

Code of the Road Safety Code road safety
(RSQ, c. C-24.2) (RSQ, c. C-24.2)

Regarding access to public roads of vehicles Regarding access to public roads of vehicles
equipped with a driving position right equipped with a driving position right

THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT, THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT

Having regard to the first paragraph of section 633.1 of the Code of Having regard to the first paragraph of section 633.1 of the Code
road safety (RSQ, c. C-24.2), after which the road safety (RSQ, c. C-24.2), after Which the
Minister of Transport may, by order, after consultation with Minister of Transport may, by order, after consultation
Society of the Quebec Automobile Insurance, Automobile Insurance Society of Quebec,
restrict or prohibit, for a maximum of restrict or prohibit, for a maximum of
180 days, access to public roads to any model or 180 days, access to public roads at any model or
any class of vehicle that is a risk any class of vehicle that poses a risk
for the safety of persons or property for the safety of persons or property;

Having regard to the first paragraph of this article which provides the right Having regard to the first paragraph of this article which provides the right
for any person to submit comments to the for any person to submit comments to the
person designated with the order within 90 days of the designated person with the order within 90 days of
publication in the Gazette officielle du Québec, published in the Gazette officielle du Québec;

Having regard to the first paragraph of this article whereby the Having regard to the first paragraph of this section whereby the
Minister may by order, on the expiration of 180 days, Minister may by order, on the expiry of 180 days,
make the restriction or prohibition permanent make the restriction or prohibition permanently;

Having regard to the first paragraph of this article whereby one Having regard to the first paragraph of this section whereby a
restriction or prohibition under this restriction or prohibition under this
paragraph comes into force on the date of publication of paragraph comes into force on the date of publication of
Order in the Gazette officielle du Québec Order in the Gazette officielle du Québec;

Having regard to the fourth paragraph of this article requires Having regard to the fourth paragraph of that article provides that
the publication requirement laid down in Article 8 of the Act, the publication requirement laid down in Article 8 of the Act
on regulations (RSQ, c. R-18.1) does not apply on Regulation (RSQ, c. R-18.1) does not apply
an order made under this section, an order made under this section;

WHEREAS it appears, after consulting the Corporation, WHEREAS it appears, after consulting the Corporation,
it is appropriate to prohibit or restrict, for it is appropriate to Prohibit or restrict, for
duration of 180 days, access to public roads in certain duration of 180 days, access to public roads in some
Vehicles with a post of RHD Vehicles with a post of RHD
because they constitute a risk to safety Because they Constitute a risk to safety
persons or property, persons or property;

WHEREAS it is expedient to prohibit or restrict, WHEREAS it is expedient to Prohibit or restrict
for a period of 180 days, access to roads for a period of 180 days, access to roads
public vehicle equipped with a driving position public vehicle equipped with a driving position
right for the reasons given by the Company; right for the reasons given by the Company;

ADOPTED AS FOLLOWS: ADOPTED AS FOLLOWS:
1. 1. Access to public roads is prohibited vehicles Access to public roads is closed to vehicles
road equipped with a driving position right at road equipped with a driving position right at
except: except:
1 vehicle registered in Québec before 1 vehicle registered in Quebec before
April 29, 2009; April 29, 2009;

2 vehicles registered outside of Quebec, 2 vehicles registered outside of Quebec;

3 vehicles manufactured 25 years or more before the 3 vehicles manufactured 25 years or more before the
date of importation into Canada, date of importation into Canada;

4 trucks, snow blowers and vehicle 4 trucks, snow blowers and vehicles
transportation equipment as defined in Regulation transportation equipment as defined in Regulation
on the registration of road vehicles made by on the road vehicle registration issued by the
Decree 1420-91 of October 16, 1991; Decree 1420-91 of October 16, 1991;

5 vehicles required to make repeated stops on 5 vehicles required to make repeated stops the
along a path through a work order along a path through a work Aimed
public service public service;

6 tool vehicles, 6 tool vehicles;

7 ° road vehicle belonging to a school of 7 ° road vehicle belonging to a school
Conduct or institution that holds a Conduct or institution that holds a
allowed to teach driving trucks allowed to teach driving truck
Heavy issued under section 10 of the Act on Heavy issued under section 10 of the Act
private education (RSQ, c. E-9.1). private education (RSQ, c. E-9.1).

2. 2. Light vehicles registered before April 29 Light vehicles registered before 29 April
2009, used on public roads should: in 2009, used on public roads should:
1 ° be registered as passenger vehicle 1 be registered as passenger vehicle
restricted circulation, restricted movement;

2 bear a registration plate bearing 2 bear a registration plate bearing
the prefix "C" under Article 124 of the prefix "C" under Article 124
Regulations on registration of road vehicles, Regulations on registration of road vehicles,
enacted by Decree No. 1420-91 of October 16, 1991. Enacted by Decree No. 1420-91 of October 16, 1991.
For the purposes of this Order, means "For the purposes of this Order, the term"
light vehicle "means a road vehicle equipped with a position of light vehicle" means a road vehicle equipped with a position
RHD, other than a vehicle with two wheels, RHD, other than a two-wheeled vehicle, Which
satisfies the following requirements at its sale satisfies the following requirements at its dirty
first user: first user:
1 length of 3.4 meters or less, 1 length of 3.4 meters or less;

2 ° a width of 1.48 meter or less, 2 ° a width of 1.48 meter or less;
5100A OFFICIAL GAZETTE OF QUEBEC, October 26, 2009, 141st year, No. 42A Part 2 5100A OFFICIAL GAZETTE OF QUEBEC, October 26, 2009, 141st year, No. 42A Part 2

3 a height of 2.0 meters or less; 3 a height of 2.0 meters or less;

4 an engine displacement of 660 cm3 or less, 4 an engine displacement of 660 cm3 or less;

5 an engine power of 47.7 kW or less. 5 year engine power of 47.7 kW or less.

3. 3. No person shall drive a light vehicle on a No person shall drive a vehicle on a slight
public road on which the maximum speed allowed is public road Which is the maximum speed allowed is
over 70 km / h. over 70 km / h.

4. 4. Road vehicles registered before 29 Road vehicles registered before 29
April 2009, by a certificate of registration April 2009 through a registration certificate
Temporary or removable plate, Temporary or removable flat
can not rely on the exception can not invoke the exception in
Paragraph 1 of Article 1. Paragraph 1 of Article 1.

5. 5. The owner of a light vehicle that contravenes The owner of a light vehicle that contravenir
Article 2 commits an offense and is punishable by Article 2 commits an offense and is bindable to a
fine of $ 300 to $ 360. fine of $ 300 to $ 360.
6. 6. Anyone who contravenes section 3 commits an Anyone who commits contravenir Section 3 year
offense and is liable to a fine of $ 300 to $ 360. offense and is bindable to a fine of $ 300 to $ 360.

7. 7. All interested parties may send comments Any interested party may submit comments
on this order before January le24 on this order before January le24
2010, Sir Mark Baril Insurance Corporation in 2010, Sir Mark Baril Insurance Corporation
automobile du Québec 333, boulevard Jean-Lesage, Quebec car 333, boulevard Jean-Lesage
C-4-21, CP 19600, Québec (Québec) G1K 8J6, Email C-4-21, CP 19600, Québec (Québec) G1K 8J6, email
Mark.Baril @ @ saaq.gouv.qc.ca Mark.Baril saaq.gouv.qc.ca

8. 8. This Order comes into force October 26 This Order comes into force October 26
2009 with the exception of Articles 2, 3, 5 and 6 which will come in 2009 with the exception of Articles 2, 3, 5 and 6 Which Will
effective December 27, 2009. Effective December 27, 2009. It was repealed in April le24 It was repealed in April le24
2010. 2010.

The Transport Minister, The Minister of Transport,
Julie Boulet Julie Boulet
52599 52599






Looks like you guys have Kei cars, and 25 year old imports in your future..