You heard it from the source. GLENN TAYLOR !UPDATE!

[millsd4]

i sure hope that they dont change the laws before i get my skyline either this summer or next summer so they better not change or ill just get some minister to import it and transfer names :P i say we should show up and take some ministers and TC workers out for a drive in skylines, show them how safe they really are.

[Paradis]

Glenn writes in response to some of the questions raise....

"No problems here. I have thick skin. It went sideways on IH8MUD when people
started getting personal. And many posters failed to read what I had posted and
asked the same questions.

Which leads to rockcrete;

The Inspection Manual is 100% legislated. I wlak you through it one last time.

Here is 217 (2) of the MVA;


Inspections


217 (1) For the purposes of section 216, the director may

(a) authorize persons to inspect vehicles,

(b) designate facilities operated by the government or a municipality or other
person as facilities for different classes of inspections, and

(c) on conditions the Lieutenant Governor in Council requires, exempt a vehicle
from inspection.

(2) For the purposes of section 216, the minister may prescribe standards of
safety, emissions and repair for different classes of vehicles.



Sub 2 is the important part. Now on the very first page of the inspection Manual
it states that these Standards of Safety and Repair are the ones referred to in
217 (2) of the MVA. I have also been to court prosecuting cases based on the
Manual.

Hopefully that clears it up.

Next for Shadeo. I should qualify my statements regarding the general public
dislike of rhd's. That is 100% based on my own travels. I don't know that half
the general public would approach an owner of a RHD just to tell them they don't
like them. I, on the other hand am a Public figure who does get approached daily
and by phone with people who go so far as accusing me of not doing my job in
allowing these cars on the road.

Lastly to clear up the equivalent light thing. The MVAR says that any light,
lamp or bulb used must be equivalent to OEM. Dictionary def that applies means:
Equal in size, shape and function. Not my words, but a dictionary. Would we care
if the lens is .25 of an inch shorter than oem, of course not, however, a square
sealed beam in place of a large moulded headlight doesn't fly. There is a reason
why headlamp lenses are shaped they way they are on vehicles.

[WRick]

*suscribes*

good reading. Go on. !

[LHD-GTR]

Those vehicles will be grandfathered under the law at that point of time. They would have to be brought up to "standard" though and pass safety certification.

[jdmtypes]

So if they do decide to make it law an bump back importation to 25 yrs, how will it work for cars that are already here but not registered yet?

[Stevo_323]

well, i emailed glenn, came back and there was a whole 3rd page :shock:

anyways, heres what i wrote

Hello Glenn


My name is Cam Moyls, I am a active member of Gtrcanada.com and I own a right hand drive vehicle. I know you are probably getting flooded with emails so I won't try to drag this email out. I am not quite as good with words as some others who have emailed you.

I have read many of the points you make and they do make sense, I just wonder why TC is jumping to extent the law to 25 years, instead of trying to contact some major importing companies(and there are alot of them) and try and work out a way for everyone to be happy. I'm sure that many of the problems could be resolved with companies releasing with parts, there is supposed to be a DOT approved headlight coming out in February for the Nissan Skyline, and I'm sure with the support of TC all the problems could be resolved, instead of avoided for 10 more years. I know that in those 10 years TC is supposedly going to try and find solutions, but realistically right now I'm sure those problems could be fixed, there are so many enthusiasts out there that would work very very hard to make this work, and I'm sure that something could be worked out, instead of ran away from

Thanks for your time
Cam

PS - Why are right hand drive vehicles on our roads a problem here, but in Europe there are people from England who commute or visit all the time to places with left hand drive vehicles, and its not a problem there?, that is one question that has been bugging me.

[Lotus97]

You really need to speak with Mike Woods. He is above the regional inspectors. He's as high as they get so to speak.

If you are going to get any results, it will be convincing him.

If you search google for him you will find an email address, I think it's different than the one posted, but it's probable they are linked, both gov't addresses.

[rockcrete]

The Inspection Manual is NOT a law, it is an enforcement guideline based on the law. The difference in our case is that CMVSS does not apply to our vehicles, as per Transport Canada, and the manual makes no differentiation between CMVSS and provincial requirements. These people believe they are on a public safety crusade, and really do not take kindly to anyone questioning their authority. The lighting requirements are clearly stated in the BC Motor Vehicle Act, and NOTHING they dream of changes them, other than the province amending the act. I repeat, the manual is an enforcement policy based on CMVSS and the BCMVA, it is NOT a law. We are exempt from CMVSS and this really was not forseen when the manual was written, that is entirely where the problem is. Incidentally, it is entirely possible to have your headlights individually certified to meet the DOT / SAE standards if you have modified them properly. There are a number of places around that can legally do this, they do one off inspections on all kinds of things from electrical components items to building materials, and are perfectly capable of issuing an official certification and inspection decal that your lights are compliant with any standard you wish.

[Stinky_1]

you never know, he could be spinning the emails and making them out to be more reasons WHY the RHD cars need to be off the road.

We need more than just ONE source of info, and more than on "in" to whats going on.

[psilosin]

I’d go post directly on the site, but I tried that once before on a different site and people were unable to keep things civil.

Just a quick reply on this. If Glen is who I think he 'was' over at ih8mud.com forums, things did get a little ugly but you Skyline guys mights be interested as to why...

Part of the discussions revolved around the part of the MVA that references lighting and uses the words "equivalent to OEM" and how that played out in any replacement lighting. He said that "equivalent to OEM" meant that the replacement light (eg headlamp or tail lamp) must be IDENTICAL in dimensions etc to the original. So in this interpretation the Skyline headlamps available from Maximum Overdrive would NOT be considered 'equivalent to OEM'. We called him on that interpretation saying if that was true then no truck in BC with a custom flatbed with off the shelf tail lights could be 'equivalent to OEM' then either and thus in violation of the law. To him an SAE taillight does not equal SAE taillight does not equal SAE taillight if you know what I mean. He didn't have any answers to that and that and just kept repeating the same illogic responses without directly answering any rebuttals and would not budge on the topic. Then he said we were attacking him personally and he left the forum. This was all happening back in Jan-Feb 2006 when the **** first hit the fan in BC. I wouldn't expect too much out of Glen for support even though he says he likes Skylines (he also said he liked RHD Cruisers). Looks to me as if he is playing 'good cop' to you.

[Paradis]

Here's this guy's email. I would recommend delegating some one to talk to him, or maybe i'll send some of this info to him tomorrow, but please, if this guy really is someone whose words will affect the winds of change, don't call or email him with belligerent statements,
thanx

I knew Mike's email was easy, I just wasn't sure if it was Mike or Micheal.

Here you go Mike.Woods@gov.bc.ca

One of the members on the board had a question about the words "may" being used
in the MVA.

The member is forgetting about our inspection manual, (which is part of the
MVA). It is where the rerquirements get specific. There are no "May" or
"shoulds" in there. It is black and white and lists what years MUST have certain
equipment. I do believe that we will have a publicy accesed online version
sometime this year (cuurently in BETA form only for us). Right now anyone can
buy one from a Government agent for $25 (last time I checked it was still $25).

Cheers,
Glenn

[shawley]

I had a PS3 that I bought for $750 cnd and sold for $1650 US so I made just over double my money on it.

I had 2 wii's that I bought for $300 and sold for $650 cdn so I also made just over double on those.

Skylines could be the same.

hahahaha GOOD ON YA!

i know so many peope that bought ps3's and got screwed with them

i work at bestbuy(car installer) but i have frineds up at the front that do returns and we keep getting ps3's back that people were unable to sell

[Shadao]

Like I've said before, the general public (which obviously way out numbers rhd
owners) do not want them on the road, period.

Cheers,

Glenn

what the hell? since when, if they are asking us for some back up evidence of studies done in europe regarding englands rhd cars in the rest of the lhd europe then i wanna see at least 600 people out of 1000 say they want rhd cars off the road, that is complete bs, now we know we are being fed some bs, or the man behind the man is telling everyone lies, i have never ever ever heard anyone say they want rhd cars off the road, heck ive heard more people say they think its cool and want to drive it themselves.....

[Stinky_1]

edited because this was getting Off topic (stinky)

[modis]

wow this thread has completely exploded.

its good to see people discussing this in a rational, calm manner without getting upset. good work everyone. in regards to the DOT issue..

those who own cars with a usdm counterpart have this the easiest. and given the number of skylines already in canada, there will be a solution for you guys sooner or later (i have my money on sooner). with that said, after paging through this thread, DOT headlights/taillights seem to be reiterated time and time again. to me one message of this thread is to excercise caution if you are looking to import a car with no usdm counterpart and no significant following. you might be ok for awhile but a few years from now, having your car taken off the road for non-compliance and with no solution readily available would be very frustrating.

regards