US residents posting on GTRC trying to buy CDN cars..

[RixR32]

I have never seen this "declaration". I live literally 2.5 min from the border and cross multiple times monthly. Been ok in both the Pajero and the Skyline.
Back OT.....I've been asked almost daily to sell my car to someone WHILE IM IN THE US. I obviously havent....but what would be the "outcome" if you happen to be at a car show or something and someone offered money for your car and you just left it there?
It's not our reponsibility to know the rules in the US for them buying a car, it's theirs. Once the ownership is signed and money has changed hands its their problem. Why should a seller need to know a buyers situation?

Just curious is all...

Rick

[Matty]

Worst case scenario is they get the car taken away and you lose the proceeds from it depending on how far the gov. wanted to go with it. It can be a lose lose in the worst situation. Average situation, the car is seized from the buyer.

[collector240sx]

I have never seen this "declaration". I live literally 2.5 min from the border and cross multiple times monthly. Been ok in both the Pajero and the Skyline.
Back OT.....I've been asked almost daily to sell my car to someone WHILE IM IN THE US. I obviously havent....but what would be the "outcome" if you happen to be at a car show or something and someone offered money for your car and you just left it there?
It's not our reponsibility to know the rules in the US for them buying a car, it's theirs. Once the ownership is signed and money has changed hands its their problem. Why should a seller need to know a buyers situation?

Just curious is all...

Rick

There is a reason they say ignorance is not a defense.

If selling your car is proven to be illegal, since the money was gained from an illegal activity, that money would soon find it's way out of your pocket, or if you can't produce the money you would be held liable to repaid the whole amount. The car would probably get impounded, and would most likely become the property of the government and be auctioned off.
Basically what was said above my post

Don't think you could get off easy, if my memory serves me correctly don't they take a picture of you/your car, when you cross. So the only thing that's sure, is they are going to ask you A LOT of question when you try to get back to Canada.

On the other side there is a couple of ways around all of this, NONE THAT WOULD LOOK GOOD ON OUR COMMUNITY, AND WOULD MOST DEFINITELY MAKES THINKS WORST.

[RixR32]

I realize we know the situation in the US, because we are part of the Skyline community.
But who else, really, would know the US's rules on registering certain cars? And who cares really.
Isn't it just like buying a car when you KNOW you can't get insurance? Why would a seller be responsible for knowing THAT?
Also, if you are already in the US, and someone offers to buy your car it wouldn't be smuggling, you weren't aware of this when you crossed over.
I highly doubt the US gov't would come knocking for your money.
We have seen that they do impound the car and impose a penalty to the BUYER though, if they are caught.
Many Canadian cars have went to the US.......has there been any ACTUAL situation (NOT HEARSAY) where the CANADIAN has gotten trouble?
I'm only saying all this because I've had offers, multiple times, to sell my car over there at almost every car-show I've been to.

It has been MUCH more than the cars are worth here....and thus I've been VERY tempted.

In regards to the "ignorance is no defense" statement....does that now mean I have to do research on anyone who buys my car? Make sure they're not a drug-dealer, criminal record, etc....LOL

Rick

[kismetcapitan]

if you did sell your car in the States, the new owner would have a long list of problems. You, however, as long as you got paid in cash, would be back home in Canada, and any action to be taken against you would require extradition, etc. But none would be taken, because you would not have broken any laws. The American trying to register the car for road use would be breaking laws, unless he bought it for off-road use only, in which case NO LAWS have been broken by anyone.

That "someone" would come and seize the proceeds from the sale is absurd, period.

[MKIV]

Rather than "sticky" this specific thread which has multiple different stories and "this is what will happen" tales, perhaps the Admin could make a separate "US Marketplace" with a pre-read requires before posting. That pre-read being this info. That way we avoid the whole being asked to drive our cars to the US to sell.

Even if I was desperate to sell immediately, I'd never cross the border to make a sale. The headache to money ratio isn't worth it.

[A18]

I've had literally hundreds of emails from US citizens trying to buy my car. Guys from Florida, Oregon, California, etc etc. Every one of them wants me to bring it down for them. When I tell them I'm only willing to sell in Canada, I never hear back from them. Its really frustrating when it looks like someone is genuinely interested, only to discover theyre from the States with no intentions of coming up here to buy it.

On a funny note, a guy from Vermont called me, pissed drunk, and offered to trade some "Christmas weed" for my car and told me he would hop on a train right now to pick it up. When I told him I was in Canada, he offered to trade me some hockey sticks and ice skates.

[MKIV]

Should have asked him if the hockey skates were vintage!

[collector240sx]

if you did sell your car in the States, the new owner would have a long list of problems. You, however, as long as you got paid in cash, would be back home in Canada, and any action to be taken against you would require extradition, etc. But none would be taken, because you would not have broken any laws. The American trying to register the car for road use would be breaking laws, unless he bought it for off-road use only, in which case NO LAWS have been broken by anyone.

That "someone" would come and seize the proceeds from the sale is absurd, period.

I don't see why they would need any extradition, since I highly doubt they would simply let you back with no car, without asking a very very very long list of questions. Unless you have all the real info from the buyer with all proper paper work showing that the car will only be for off road use (track & car show) which seam to be a lot harder to get then most people seam to make it, I can't see anyone just crossing back.

By crossing the border and selling a car that would usually get crush or auctioned off (exported) if caught at a port. The seller is essentially acting has the importer, I would even go has far to say that the seller would be lucky if they only asked for the money from the transaction. The grey area that permits driving these car in the States does in no way mean they wouldn't threat the seller any better than a drug smuggler.

If ignorance could be a defense, we wouldn't need lawyer, and the stupider you would be, the more you could get away with. lol The seller has to have a certain responsibility, selling a car to a drug-dealer (well how where you suppose to know that), but selling a track only car to your neighbor when you know he would be able to import one, and it goes against the agreement you signed to import it in the first place. (for example you have a part company that use a R34 show car, track car). Or imagine someone coming to Canada on a student visa selling is R34 to a resident, just not going to happen, doesn't matter if he knew the law or not.

I'm actually 50/50 on if I going to sell my GTR to someone in the state when it becomes legal, I guess it all depends on how much the first good example are going to go for.

[DarkCaporaL]

I don't see why they would need any extradition, since I highly doubt they would simply let you back with no car, without asking a very very very long list of questions. Unless you have all the real info from the buyer with all proper paper work showing that the car will only be for off road use (track & car show) which seam to be a lot harder to get then most people seam to make it, I can't see anyone just crossing back.

I don't see who's going to stop you honestly. The US doesn't have exit control for land crossings. When you exit the US the only officials you will be encountering are Canadian, and if you're a Canadian citizen or a Permanent Resident you have the right to enter Canada no matter what. They can't deny you entry.

Plus since you're the one who sold the car, you technically didn't break any laws. It's the US guy that should have to pay custom fees and state taxes, not you.

[Terrh]

I have never seen this "declaration". I live literally 2.5 min from the border and cross multiple times monthly. Been ok in both the Pajero and the Skyline.
Back OT.....I've been asked almost daily to sell my car to someone WHILE IM IN THE US. I obviously havent....but what would be the "outcome" if you happen to be at a car show or something and someone offered money for your car and you just left it there?
It's not our reponsibility to know the rules in the US for them buying a car, it's theirs. Once the ownership is signed and money has changed hands its their problem. Why should a seller need to know a buyers situation?

Just curious is all...

Rick

historically, ignorance of laws is pretty much the worst possible defense.

[Terrh]

I don't see who's going to stop you honestly. The US doesn't have exit control for land crossings. When you exit the US the only officials you will be encountering are Canadian, and if you're a Canadian citizen or a Permanent Resident you have the right to enter Canada no matter what. They can't deny you entry.

Plus since you're the one who sold the car, you technically didn't break any laws. It's the US guy that should have to pay custom fees and state taxes, not you.

I've been been stopped leaving the USA and searched. They were looking for someone else. But, it still happened.

(I cross the border weekly)

[DarkCaporaL]

I've been been stopped leaving the USA and searched. They were looking for someone else. But, it still happened.

(I cross the border weekly)

Yeah but that's probably just because they received a heads up that some wanted criminal was trying to run. They don't check under normal circumstances.

[Dragon Humper]

I don't see who's going to stop you honestly. The US doesn't have exit control for land crossings. When you exit the US the only officials you will be encountering are Canadian, and if you're a Canadian citizen or a Permanent Resident you have the right to enter Canada no matter what. They can't deny you entry.

Plus since you're the one who sold the car, you technically didn't break any laws. It's the US guy that should have to pay custom fees and state taxes, not you.

+1

If I went to Golden Gardens next year and some bozo wanted to give me $30 000 in cash for my car and I could prove that the cash was not fake I wouldn't think twice about it. The only issue you can have is having over $10 000 cash on you with no way to prove why you have it.

If you have 2 friends with you that you can trust you can split up the money and be about as risk free as going to Vegas for a week. Unless you sign something that says you can't sell your car while you are there, all of the onus is on the buyer, not you.



Jon.

[sharpe_corners]

I deal with a few importers from qc. I have been told many stories and personally witnessed a rhd sw20 being sold to a US buyer and them putting it on a trailer. I asked how they were going to get across, they said "I have it under control, dont you worry, we do this all the time"

So it can happen. Its all about who you know I guess.