List of Aftermarket Brake Company

[DreadedFist]

You can't say 100% better benefit unless the setup you say is better in every way, which it isn't. Like I said, if you're on a budget or have other parts to upgrade, forget big brakes. It's mostly "gravy" on a street car. It's not worse than Smaller brake kits.

100% of the cars I have put upgraded pads and better fluid in have benefitted from it. That's where the 100% comes from :P

[SatoTatsuya]

It surprised me how cheap they were. But impressed with the result, as it saved my car in an emergency stop. So happy.

Minimum you only need a front brake pad upgrade, good brake fluid for road use. But ideally braided brake lines (gets rid of spongy brake pedal feel and protects brake lines from rocks that from experience can cut brake hoses), brake master cylinder stopper (stops brake master cylinder moving under hard braking), upgraded brakepads (high temp brake pads for trackuse, low temp brake pads for road use), remove stone shields, fit brake ducting on all 4 corners is what you want for road or trackday car.

2 piece brake rotors, good track / road brakepad (look at temp range of brake pads) are good additional items if needed for extra braking. But one thing you have to take into account, will it overpower your tyres. Are you running street tyres (stock brakes with upgraded brakepads, brakelines, etc), semislicks or full race slicks. Big brake kits, slicks go together. Upgraded factory brakes with 2 piece rotors, brakepads, braidedlines, etc + semislicks go together. So easily upgradeable to bigger and better if you need it.

A brake specialist can custom make brake pads with custom made backing plate and compound of your choice.

Stock brakes on R32GTR are nearly as good as a big brake kit on a Group-A R32 GTR with slick tyres (slick tyres, big brakes are cold on racecar, so not working at 100%) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwbbA3INlgA

When braking from high speed lap after lap with slicks, that's where a big brake kit comes into it's own with a heavier car, as there's no or little brake fade. Carbon brakes are best in this area and why they are popular on F1 racecars, etc.

Thanks man, that was very informative! That video says a lot too!

I have a question, though. From what you're saying it sounds like if my car does not hold semi-slick tires, then it wouldn't be compatible to upgrade rotor, pads, fluids, lines, etc. At least not to the track-extend. I know I am misunderstanding what you are writing so, would you mind clarifying it up a little bit?

Also, I personally really like carbon brakes, but I think those might be too much of an overkill on a street/track car, no?

SatoTatsuya, you said your looking for a kit for a 240sx right. In this case it's
going to be quite easy for you, since your car is a lot lighter than an R32.

Just do like I did.

Use a complete 300zx brake caliper swap, brembo rotors, good quality pads,
steel braided lines, and good quality 600 degree braking fluid. Depending on
your suspension and tire choice, your probably going to have to play with
the front rear bias. With decent 235/45zr17 front and 255/40zr17 tire back,
and stiff coilovers, my setup seam pretty balance. With stock tire a lot of
people doing this swap notice that they can lock the rear tire a little bit
before the front.

You should be able to do this swap for a fraction of any big brake kit.
And in a jam you can get parts almost anywhere. And should be more
than enough for all your tracking needs.

And like it's been said before, if you can, had ducting to cool your brake.

Hey, thanks for the reply, and it really gave me a lot of ideas and information. How much did all that swap cost you? And also, do you know a site where I can check up on the product listings (including the price) on brembo rotors and others? I have been on Brembo's official site, and I honestly could not find a list of pricing and the product line online. Maybe I am blind, or not looking hard enough, or on the wrong site. Also, are all SS brake lines the same no matter which company you buy it from, or are there actual performance differences between the different lines that are offered by its respective companies?

Oh yes, and I also need advise on choosing tires. A lot of the times I get confused looking at the numbers (ie. 235/45zr17). I also don't quite get it when they say stuff like "-13" or "-28" or what not.

Anyways, any information would be extremely helpful!

Thanks!

[cyberspyder]

Your best option would be to call them, or one of their distributors as they can quote you pricing, as well as give you advice on the proper setup for the Silvia.

[Skym]

Road tyres can be soft to hard compound tyre (how hard or soft the tyre rubber is). Hard is good for burnouts, but bad in wet weather due to less traction. Soft is better in dry, wet weather. Tyre manufacturers mention if it's good in dry or wet weather and can see the wear rating which sort of gives away what type / compound of tyre it is.

Semi slicks are slicks with grooves in tyres and are DOT? approved for road use. Full slicks for dry racetrack have no grooves in tyres.

I'll list specs, so it makes sense with a Skyline brake setup -

Road use / trackday use with street spec tyres -

600+ brake fluid
Braided brake lines
Brake master cylinder stopper
Upgraded brakepads (high temp brake pads for trackuse, low temp brake pads for road use)
Remove stone shields
Fit brake ducting on all 4 corners

Road use / trackday use with semislick tyres -

600+ brake fluid
Braided brake lines
Brake master cylinder stopper
Upgraded brakepads (high temp brake pads for trackuse, low temp brake pads for road use)
Remove stone shields
Fit brake ducting on all 4 corners
2 piece brake rotors

Road (not recommended) / Track use with slick tyres (dry surface only) -

600+ brake fluid
Braided brake lines
Brake master cylinder stopper
Upgraded brakepads (high temp brake pads for trackuse, low temp brake pads for road use)
Remove stone shields
Fit brake ducting on all 4 corners
Big brake kit with upgraded calipers, 2 piece brake rotors

Not all braided brake lines are made the same. Some have cheap fittings and should only be used for road. Can get leaks from fittings with these.

Good Braided brake lines should have -

Teflon hose over the top of braided brake hose to protect braid from dirt and protects from rocks cutting brake hose
Braided hose
Good fittings, crimped on to spec

Best to get custom made braided brake hoses by brake specialist, as you know they are made properly to spec for your country and have a built to standard tag on them, so no problems with cops, etc.

[C-unit]

That's quite a statement. You're talking "in the world"?

Why don't you give the guys at dba a call and explain to them why they're not your list? I'll pay money for a tape of the phone call.

Dan

DBA doesn't make BBK, only upgrade rotors.

My comment is mainly towards to cheap VTTR, K-sport, D-2...w/e generic brand. Sorry if some of you guys get offended. :wink:

[SatoTatsuya]

Hmmm, that was very useful, thanks Skym!

How come 2-piece rotor only appeared for the semislick tyres?? Is it bad to use 2-piece rotors on a street tyre? I was just thinking, because it sounds like 2-piece rotors are a good investment, because it's got such effective braking power, no?

And do you know of a good brake specialist here in Toronto that make good SS brake lines that fits the road conditions of Canada (crappy roads, especially on Steeles!....errr...ok, well not after they fix it! haha)?

Thanks!

[cyberspyder]

Anyone have experience with the Goodrich-branded braided hoses?

[Skym]

I know their braided hose is used in good braided brake lines. Heard mixed story's about the fittings, especially on rear of car. Sometimes fittings are made for US spec imports, not JDM spec, etc.

SatoTatsuya, I was just listing what my mate has on his road / track spec GTR racecar. He has 2 piece ProjectMU rotors with semislicks, etc.

Road spec is what Nismo run with street tyres.

I know of a track / road spec 400hp S15 that runs upgraded brakepads (Project MU), braided brake lines, Cusco brake master cylinder stopper, R34 310mm (factory are 280mm??) GTT 1 piece front brake rotors (slotted) + spacers for calipers, so clears rotors. Rear looks like stock caliper, stock rotor with upgraded brake pads, braided brake lines. Also running on Bridgestone semislicks.

It's the black S15 in this videoclip at Superlap (at 1:23+) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRjpZdIYE0

They mention Toyo semislicks, Wilwood calipers, etc on one EVO in above videoclip.

[SatoTatsuya]

Oh ok, my apologies for taking that literally! Thanks for all that guidance and information! I shall do some more research on tires and brakes and what not! Thanks a lot man!

Oh yes...almost forgot...do you know of a good brake specialist in Toronto that make good custome SS brake lines that's durable and effective?

[Skym]

Nismo road spec is minus the brake ducting and with stone sheilds that protect rotors installed.

Sorry, don't know of any in Canada.

I know this place downunder makes them for V8, GTR, etc racecars if you supply the factory brake lines to gauge length, fittings used (I think they have branches in NZ, Australia) -

http://www.racebrakes.co.nz/

The dude named Steve? at that branch is a master at creating braided brake lines to perfect spec. Made so many of them.

Australia branch -

http://www.racebrakes.com.au/

Racebrakes list what you need for brake upgrades in this PDF and cost in NZD -

http://www.racebrakes.co.nz/pdf/brake_upgrade.pdf

They are the people I buy the 600+ brake fluid, brake pads, etc for my car from and their advice is good.

[SatoTatsuya]

Great!! Thanks Skym, I will look into them! Thanks a lot!

[collector240sx]

SatoTatsuya

I basically run this setup on my 240sx and my girlfriend 240sx. For her car
the 4 caliper cost 350$ shipped, to my door, can't remember the price of
the steel braided line, the rotors where about 55-65 a piece.

If you check around you can find deals, I got my 4 calipers, 4 stock rotors,
the steel braided lines shipped to my door for 550$.

You can check this site it will tell you what to look for.

http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap.htm

There is plenty of tread about this swap, it's quite the common swap on
these car.

For the steel braided lines you can check bings.ca, in the brake section.
They seam decent and at 95$ a pair there affordable.

[SatoTatsuya]

Alright, thanks a lot collector240sx! Do you have any pictures of your brake system? I was just curious. Also, do you have one of those brake cylinder stopper that Skym was talking about? how do those look like? Are they just like an aluminum shell that wraps around the cylinder so it doesn't move around during heavy driving? Also, do you have Bings SS line? If so, how long have you had them for?

[collector240sx]

I did a quick look on google for rotors here is the 2 first results.

http://www.frsport.com/Brembo-OE-Replacement-Front-Brake-Rotor-Disc-300ZX-Z32-280x30mm_p_15411.html

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/search/?D=nissan+300zx+brake+rotor&Ntt=nissan+300zx+brake+rotor&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=main&PN=832&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&N=0&Nty=1&VN=+4294967085+4294967007&Nr=AND%28universal:0%29&refType=Brand&refValue=Brembo

I don't have any stopper yet, I do plan on getting it on both cars. I have no
clue what brand line is on the girlfriend car, sorry. I just know they look well
built, might have been custom made, I'm really not sure.
I'm sure she has a couple of pics of the brakes around. I'll look for a couple.

I don't have bings lines, but I was considering buying them before I got my
setup.

Unfortunately, I still have my setup in boxes, I need to work on the chassis
before I start putting parts on it. I have a GTR in perfect shape with no
engine, and a 240sx that needs body work with a RB25det ready to go. lol
Was suppose to have one going this summer but the girlfriend said we
needed our own place first. So just bought a house and moving at the end
of this month. well there's always next year I guess. lol

Here is some information about MC stopper

http://enjukuracing.com/circuit-sports-brake-master-cylinder-stopper-240sx-p-8028.html

They basically try to stop the firewall from moving forward when you
apply the brake.

hope it helps

[Skym]

Can make your own brake master cylinder stopper. There's tutorials out there showing this. I had a link to one, but lost the link.

The brake master cylinder stopper I was talking about is made by Cusco in Japan (the one in link below is I gather for a Subaru) -

http://www.rallitek.com/cubrmacybr.html

Also Cusco make strut braces, etc.