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    Hey guys. I've been a member on GTRCanada
    for a while but not too talkative on the forums. I'm James and I own a '91 R32 GTR. It's my baby. We've been through a lot of rough times but at the end of the day it puts a smile on my face when (emphasize) I get to drive 'er.


    N1 Block
    Tomei 2.8L Stroker Kit
    Cosworth Bearings
    Tomei Oil Pump
    Tomei Oil Baffle Kit

    PnP'd Head
    Ferrea Full Valvetrain
    Tomei 270 lift 10.25mm
    Tomei Cam Studs

    ID1000cc Injectors
    Tomei Fuel Rail
    Tomei FPR
    Aeromotive 340 Pump
    Aeromotive Inline Fuel Filter
    Stainless lines from filter to rail
    Aquamist Direct Port Methanol Injection

    Splitfire Coilpacks
    Vipec V44 ECU
    DEF Metal Steering Bushing
    Full Hicas Delete

    DMax Replica hood
    OEM style CF trunk
    CF cooling plate
    JUN replica lip
    N1 Headlights
    20mm over vented fenders


    Front & Rear Strut Braces
    AMS Upper Control Arms Front
    AMS Lower Control Arms Rear
    Tein Super Street Coilovers
    R34 Brembo Front Brakes
    BBS RS Rims
    Varrstoen 2.2.1 Rims 18x10.5 +15
    Bf Goodrich Prosport 2 Tires 275/35/18
    Adjustable Front Tension Rods


    AEM Wideband
    Aquamist Methanol Flow Gauge



    It all started when I was 17. I had a pizza delivery job at a local panago pizza. I saved for a while and bought myself a GTS-T. I thought it was the coolest, fastest thing ever. I soon started to actually learn a lot about cars and how to work on them. I decided it was time to step up my game. I found myself importing a genuine '94 wrx sti. It was a lot of fun and I liked it more than the GTS-T. I soon found myself with the skyline fever though. I shopped around for a bit and found a perfect candidate for myself.

    I purchased it October, 2010. First order of business was a clutch. The old one had been slipping so I upgraded to an RPS Streetmax right away. I parked it that winter, and pulled it out early spring, 2011. One week into the new season, I was "having some fun" in an empty parking lot. Pop goes engine #1. I happened to spin a main bearing. That is how I learned about the common oil starvation issues. screws in the back of the pump like to back out.

    so it was time to pull that engine out

    A month or so after I realized there wasn't much hope for the block, I contacted Autodream Calgary. They informed me they had a built rb26 for sale. Complete with cp pistons, eagle rods, PnP'd head, and 264 hi lift cams. The deal was the engine and 2x HKS25-30 turbos.

    Shortly after install, I noticed unusual amounts of oil out the exhaust. Upon further inspection I found the rear turbo to be blown. I contacted Autodream and they cut me a deal for a crazy single turbo swap.
    I couldn't resist. A single is just too damn sexy.
    Greddy Single Manifold
    Greddy T78 33D I got to work installing the single swap.

    At this time I purchased the following-
    ID 1000cc Injectors
    Tomei Fuel Rail
    Tomei Fuel Pressure Regulator Type L
    Aeromotive 340 Fuel Pump
    Aeromotive Inline Filter

    Vipec V44 ECU
    Splitfire Coilpacks
    Aquamist Direct Port Water Methanol Injection
    AEM Wideband
    Mishimoto 4" Core Intercooler

    I basically went on a large shopping spree. I also had Lightspeed Innovations craft up a power steering re-location, as well as intercooler piping.


    This took up the rest of 2011. There was no driving the skyline that year.

    March 15th, 2012 I had the car dyno tuned at Lightspeed. I was less than impressed. The car made 431AWHP@ 23 psi.
    I was expecting much more. It was laggy and no fun to drive on the street. I went home mildly disappointed.

    The exterior on the car had seen better days. I decided it was time for a re-spray. I went with a metallic black, and glad I did. It was similar to stock, but more of a metallic flake.

    As soon as I picked the car up from the shop, I realized there was a major exhaust leak. Checking under the hood, I found my exhaust housing had literally cracked at the weld to the down pipe.

    I contacted Autodream and bought a borgwarner s300sx. I got re-tuned and made 430whp@18psi. I still wasn't satisfied. I fixed a few minor issues and headed back to the dyno. On the way there, POP. Engine #2 opened it up to see what had happened

    So here we are now. No more screwing around. It's being built ground up my way.


    N1 Block
    Tomei 2.8L Stroker Kit
    Cosworth Bearings
    Tomei Oil Pump
    Tomei Oil Baffle Kit

    PnP'd Head
    Ferrea Full Valvetrain
    Tomei 270 Lift 10.25mm
    Tomei Cam Studs



    So that is where the car sits now. The engine is being assembled. I have yet to choose what turbos (yes twin again) I'll be running. I'd like to run twin top mount as well.





    Last edited by mexi193; 04-18-2013, 11:35 PM.

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    Look at all those shiny parts!
    ďHey, come on, its a car right? No. Itís a symbol of your history, its a thread of continuity from which you came to where you are. Itís important that you donít want to forget who you are.Ē -Dr.Phil in "Love the Beast"

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    • #3
      I'm guessing by the parts list you're doing more than delivering for Panago
      SOLID build.

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      • #4
        Yummy! Weird you only made 430@23 psi with the t88...my last build made 427@11psi with the same turbo setup. Something seems fishy.
        gtr garage queen...anybody seen my wallet?

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        • #5
          Yeah the car never really ran right from the day I installed it tho I was assured the engine was fine. It should have made a lot better numbers on the t78 especially because I was running a 50/50 water methanol injection. And so I decided, in order for me to be 100% satisfied and confident in this engine I needed to piece it together and be very specific with my parts, using the companies that are reputable.

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          • #6
            Ohh thought it said T88...my mistake mines the T88....still should have done better than that though! Your build should put down some good numbers! What lift are your 270 cams?
            gtr garage queen...anybody seen my wallet?

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            • #7
              Went and looked and my receipt I ordered the 270's with 10.25 lift

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              • #8
                Mmmmmm Tomei stroker kit... I can't wait to see what you have planned

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                • #9
                  This looks like a awesome build.

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                  • #10
                    I have bought 2 "built" Autodream engines off kijiji, in the last year. For parts. Both times the autopsies revealed some, well, interesting things.
                    Language professors HATE me.....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by camarogtr View Post
                      I have bought 2 "built" Autodream engines off kijiji, in the last year. For parts. Both times the autopsies revealed some, well, interesting things.
                      When I first installed my autodream engine it had a wired sound and they assured me it was fine so I just accepted it but now after the motor went and seeing simmiler issues in anoth build I believe it was bearing clearances issues. But nothing can be done about it now, I jut know not to buy a used motor if I'm looking for something that's going to put down some decent power
                      Last edited by mexi193; 04-20-2013, 10:58 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Hey guys I know I have been slacking on the updates so here it is. I guess I will start with the parts have recently ordered/received
                        DEF solid steering bushing for an s13 with a little modifying and stern love from a hammer its now in my car

                        I also made an order from drift works for the fallowing, solid subframe bushings, solid diff bushings and polyurethane steering rack bushings. I also picked up some parts from some members on GTRC such as a "with racing projects" oil catch can and a set of new tomei expreme manifolds and turbo elbows to mate up to a set of garrett 2860 -5 turboís I picked up from light speed.



                        After changing my steering rack bushing it was obvious that it was worth doing I guess after 22 years what can you expect your bushings to look like ?

                        I have also been working on my engine bay shave witch is almost complete the with help of one of my friends, while doing the shave I also decided not only to do an a/c delete but also remove the lines from the fire wall and weld a plate over the holes left behind in the fire wall, as well as we have removed the battery tray, fuse box, fuse box bracket and a full abs delete





                        Now I know some of you might ask why I didn't just tub my wheel arches as it would look nicer! Though the thought crossed my mind a lot I decided against it as there is already very little room in the engine bay. I just canít give up what little space I have available especially with the intakes and intercooler piping setup I plan on building.
                        I have install my AMS front upper control arms I am still waiting to install the rear control arms as I didn't have a big enough wrench at the time of install.


                        I have also installed my oil cooler though I might relocate it as a lot of my friends have suggested because they don't like the placement

                        As it sits the next thing on my agenda is completing the welding in the bay and painting it though Iím unsure of what color to paint it I was thinking mint green, dark purple, or possibly black but I like the idea of something that pops what do you guys think?

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                        • #13
                          Ok it's been a vary long time without an update,this next update is a vary long winded detailed events time line about my 2.8 stroker motor that never came to fruition.

                          Ok so this is the story of my nightmare engine built
                          All parts where brand new besides the cylinder head core, I brought to cam at light speed the fallowing parts.

                          Brand new N1 RB26 block
                          stock valve train fully assembled cylinder head ( ported and polished )
                          Full timing kit (with tomei timing belt from right drive)
                          Brand new Tomei 2.8l stoker kit ( from autodream, in store credit)
                          The rest was supplied by light speed,the build started around January 2013 he installed fully ferrea valve train with 1mm over valves,Tomei 270 10.25, tomei metal gasket set,rebalanced rotating assembly, cossworth bearings .
                          I picked up the long block from light speed September 30 2013
                          At witch time I installed manifolds, turbos and other things such as plant lines and such i then installed the motor into my R32GTR after witch time I brought the car to AFR autoworks February 22nd 2014 to have a custom intercooler and piping built as aswell as work along side a long time friend of mine Roy to do a talk wiring harness, being friends this car go put to the side and took a long time to get done the first fire up was not until February 27/2015 first fire up is logged on my Facebook and Instagram for verification ( r32skylineGTR )
                          The first dyno session was done some time after that after making around 400 whp we where having fuel delivery issue so the session was cut short and back to the shop to install a surge tank and dual bosh 044 pumps. Before this happen the car was just lingering around at AFR one night the car was put out side with no hood and it snowed and with no time timing cover when the car was started the timing belt skipped, after a quick compression and leak down test confirmed what the guys had known all the valves where bent, i received a phone call so I could be informed of this, the car was then pulled into the shop so I could remove the cylinder head, I went to red deer and removed the head assuming the timming belt skipping could be attributed to snow in the belt, I bit the built and replaced my ferrea 1mm over valves with the same valves along with new supertec valve guides,another grate deal of time passed and now with the head back on February 26 2016 the car was ready for the first fire up after the timing belt mishap (video on AFR Instagram for verification) at this point she has a fuel system upgrade and fresh 1mm Ferrea valves again and supertec valve guides
                          So onto the dyno again and now one pull to the next we lose 50hp the guys at afr stop the session do another leak down and compression test and all seems good so Roy decides to check the timing belt well what do you know the belt had skipped again this time there is no damage to the valves and clear cause for the belt to have skied. Roy and I decided it's best to pull the motor for a full inspection at this point I leave it with Roy at AFR to inspect but time is not there for him to inspect a motor, so I make a trip down too red deer to pull the motor for him to make it easiest to inspect, but with the motor out Roy still is unable to find time to inspect the motor ( it was going to be an off the books job as we are old friends) so I decide to out source to one of the builders that use to work at light speed at the time of original motor build and as this is an on going timing belt issue it leads me to believe the first timing belt mishap can not be attributed to the snow and that it has something to do with the original build of this motor, I received this email from the person inspecting the motor

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                          • #14
                            Jan30/2017
                            Hi james . found some time this weekend to finish my diagnosis on the rb. see below for the details which i sent to roy aswell.
                            i am into it for 6hrs so far and there is a fair amount of carnage , i was mostly done last weekend but needed to check the runout on the cams to see if there was an issue causing it to jump .
                            so the run out is minimal , about .001 ojn the intake cam and .003 on the exhaust cam. probably not enough to skip the belt , there is a couple things i have in mind to try to address the belt issue , but that is the least of the concerns with this engine. upon disassembly i noticed the valve indentations in the pistons and that the valve reliefs were smaller than the actual valves (the can be fly cut to address this), when i got the bottom end opened up I found lots of carnage , a couple spun rods , and several pounded brgs , debris everywhere , minor scoring on the crank , (polish???) going to need a full bottom end overhaul , might be able to reuse the rings but not recommended pistons can be reused if modified , disassembled the oil pump for inspection , surprisingly looks ok , still would recommend replacement, all oil galleries will need to be flushed and scrubbed. so line bore and rod resizing will also be required. I have not checked if the valve have any sealing issues , but quick visual seem ok......
                            but further inspection is required.

                            I had also contacted cam Jan30/17 5:15pm he called me for 15min After chatting with cam and giving him all the details listed above he has stated he'd like to chat with Trevor and get back to me.

                            Jan 31/17
                            Cam called at 12:17pm for 10min to give me a quick update cam and Trevor (the builder/inspector) spoke they disagree wether or not the valves and positions are comparable. They are going to meet up so cam can check out the motor to try to determine the root cause of the timing belt skip, cam believes the bottoms end was damaged on the first belt skip and wants to determine wether or not that skip was cause from the initial build of from Roy parking it out side without a hood.

                            Feb 17/17
                            I had the fallowing text conversation with Trevor
                            (Me) Hey how's it going man? Any new developments

                            (Trevor) Honestly I am waiting to hear back from you and or Roy on what the plan forward is. I have not found anything specific to cause the belt to skip but the bottom end seizing up may be part of it . And I have a few ideas to prevent it from reoccurring.

                            (Me) What I'm after is determined if the bottoms end was damaged to Roy skipping the timing belt or I'd something else is causing the timing belt issue.
                            And the piston relief issue is something I need to address two because that's the same built that came out of light speed so if the positions and valves are not compatible then that's an issue from the initial build that needs to be rectified

                            (Trevor)
                            The only issue I see is the bottom end is wiped.... so it would be tougher to turn which MIGHT cause the belt to skip the last time. But the first time MAY have caused the damage to the bearings ..... which came first ??? The old chicken and egg story. I was not involved with the first belt issue and cannot say fore sure what caused it..... I wish I could. All I can do is make sure that all possible issues are resolved upon reassembly. I will try to get in touch with Roy to figure out the best course of action.

                            (Me) Yeah this is a sticky situation but I'm don't wanna be stuck with a 12k bill to fix a motor in a car I never drove. We chocked the timing belt upto snow the first because we had no other explanation. And I know you wouldn't have let the motor leave if it wasn't spinning freely after assembly so that being said if you have found no major issues to a tribute the second belt skip to it stands to reason the bottoms end damage was likely caused by the first belt skip and when Roy didn't check the bottoms end after smashing my valves and slapped a rebuilt head back on it lead to this

                            (Trevor) I will have to touch base with Roy to make sure I have not missed out on any important information. But that does sound plausible. Let me get ahold of him and get back to you.

                            (Me) Sounds good my man

                            February 20 to February 22nd 2017 I had the fallowing conversation with AFR autoworks

                            (Me) I think we should set up a meeting you, me, cam and Trevor to get to the bottom of that motor.
                            I'll be calling tomei aswell for some info

                            (Info I mentioned was in regards to the valve reliefs vs valve base )

                            (Me) Would you be free for something like that ?

                            (AFR) I would have no problems sitting down with everyone however i can tell you right now, I am not going to be paying for anything. I am willing to help you out as always.

                            (Me) I can say I'm not surprised by your respond abit disappoint tho I knew this would be a blame passing game.
                            I know for a fact this damage was not don't by me and it's looks like it happened when the top end was mangled the first time after talking with Trevor. witch I ended up fronting the bill for I'm sure the work you have done for me as a friend would equal out to that top end but glad to know I'm on my own on the bottoms end 👌🏻
                            ( work being referred to was work on my altezza )

                            (AFR) had Adam and I made some money off of your car it would be easier for us to do something. As your the head, you payed for the parts but i worked that off. I have no problems helping you out like i always have but I am not paying for this, especially when i doubt the first time was even my fault. It really sucks and i knew that this would be the situation when we found out the bottom end was damaged. I dont expect Cam to pay for anything.
                            this is a really bad situation and it sucks

                            (Me) Like I said I know you worked off the head I mentioned that.

                            February 22ed I called cam to get his take on the engine failure to fallow up with him.
                            Cams point of view is that the bottoms need was ultimately condemned when the first timing belt skip occurred. Unfortunately I'm inclined to share that point of view after considering all the facts laid out,that being the case can will not warranty the motor.
                            After chatting he said he is willing to offer a discounted rate on labor to rebuild my mangled bottoms end.



                            In short AFR and the motor have not offered any information to support the theory that the motors failure the first time was not due to AFR.

                            I'm left to buy all my parts again on my own with loghtspeed offering discounted labour to re assemble trashed motor

                            AFR offered discounts on parts and help with labour
                            Unfortunately they are not a direct supplier of tomei or king and do not build motors in house

                            Damaged parts
                            positions
                            Rods
                            Crankshaft ( possibly salvageable ???? )
                            Bearings rods and mains
                            Oil pump

                            Related costs
                            New head gasket
                            Timing belt
                            Front and rear main gaskets
                            machining
                            Piston rings
                            Blue printing and assembly
                            Fluids
                            New main studs
                            Payment to Trevor for disassemble and diagnosis 475cnd
                            Countless trips back and forth from cold lake to red deer

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                            • #15
                              Sorry for hearing all the mishaps! Normally, the cause for timing belt to skip is the one the followings:
                              1. Low Belt Tension (Caused by bad tensioner, Bad belt, bad idler etc.)
                              2. Slippery belt surface (Caused by Oil, Coolant, Maybe Snow)
                              3. Hard to turn (or seized) cams. (Oil starvation, misplaced or over-tighten cam journal caps, our of round cam journals, bent or seized valves, piston/valve interference etc).

                              Debris in the bottom end won't cause the belt to skip directly, unless the debris blocked the oil passage to the head which in turn made the cams hard to turn (or seize completely) . But, in that case, it should be easy to check by turning the cam by hand or visual inspect the cam journal surfaces for signs of oil starvation.

                              Anyway, I suggest you do not to rebuild the engine. Just buy a used or new OEM engine and enjoy that instead.
                              Builders at this part of the world do give me enough confidence.
                              Last edited by xcye; 03-08-2017, 02:17 AM.

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