pros and cons with r32 gtst and gtr

[skylinett]

hey guys im looking into buying another skyline i want something that is going to have alot of potential and around 10gs i really want a gtr but i have heard from people that they shouldnt be daily driven and that the motors dont last long is that true?? and if possible would u be able to tell me some pros and cons about them both

thanks

[Shane_Sawatzki]

if your budget is 10 grand u can pick up a nice GTSt for that or less... or you can buy a GTR thats not gunna be that nice and will need work.

The motors are fine if they arent beat to hell and have been maintained properly.

gtst- cheaper on fuel, lighter car and 100% RWD all the time.

gtr- pig on fuel (mine is anyway) heavier then gtst because of the AWD system.

again if your budget is 10gs... it really comes down to if you want a clean, good condition skyline or not.

because for 9 or 10 grand, a GTR is going to need work, have high km, possibly have rust and wont be a clean GTR.

9 or 10 grand can get you a very nice GTSt, check out the marketplace on here.

[Godzooky]

I have a gtst as my daily and want to upgrade to a gtr as my daily. I just feel like I'm cheating myself out of all the extra power and fun I could be having. I could care less about the gas, figure just try to not drive it crazy unless it's needed.

[DreadedFist]

I have a gtst as my daily and want to upgrade to a gtr as my daily. I just feel like I'm cheating myself out of all the extra power and fun I could be having. I could care less about the gas, figure just try to not drive it crazy unless it's needed.

Don't forget the rod knock of a GTR daily driver.

[Godzooky]

Wouldn't that not be an issue if the engine was taken care of and maintained?

[DreadedFist]

The thing is, they may have been maintained, but they were still driven hard.

[Skym]

I find the R32 GTS-T more fun due to it's snappy nature (single turbo) when coming onto boost and lack of weight in front of R32 GTS-T makes front feel lighter. GTR feels smooth on transistion to boost (twin turbo), but the 4wd mixed with semislicks, lighter chassis (racetrim) makes it grip and accelerate. R32 GTS-T with RB20DET just lacks the hp, torque of RB26 engine in GTR and both engines don't have much hp at lower rpm's.

If want more hp at lower rpm's, twin turbo Nissan Titan V8 in R32 chassis or R35GTR with twin turbo VR38. Should be good for 1000hp at crank, if drivetrain doesn't fail.

If GTR or GTS is properly maintained, they are reliable. The oilpump drive on front of crank (too short in length) is the weak point on early R32 GTR RB26DETT and on all R32 GTS-T with RB20DET (that I know of).

[Godzooky]

True, and that's why on old performance cars like these I set aside a budget to do a ton of 'preventative maintenance'. Figure I replace all the stuff that's prone to breaking down prior to driving it hard and potentially doing more damage.

[Skym]

You would have to refresh nearly everything, depending on km travelled. Lower km = better. Anything over 100km, you might as well refresh everything, like engine, gearbox, diffheads, auxilaries, brakes, replace fuelpump, replace sensors, rewire or replace looms, etc (gets expensive quickly) if car is going to be thrashed. Basically build a racecar.

Driveshaft's, bushes, diffhead are 3x area's I have encountered when car is thrashed that fail easily and Nismo mentioned on their website to replace driveshaft's / upgrade bushes (normal wear and tear) and car feels like new again. Also CAS sensor failure. Apart from that, Skyline is quite reliable when thrashed, as long as you replace fluids before and after trackdays (treat it like a racecar) and fit oilcoolers to make sure oil temps don't rise too high on racetrack, shouldn't have any problems with parts due to oil failure.

[markc32]

i daily drive a gtr its fine....all it needs is maintenance and sure little things here and there break but that part of owning an old car and fix it...its the way u treat ur car...

b4 i bought a gtr i read online that ppl say dont buy coz its expensive to fix and breaks down....LOL not ture...pick the best one that ur gut tells u to get and move on....

[quadracer111]

Spend more, get a really clean one, and you will have less issues.

[skylinett]

okay thanks alot guys still not sure if i wanna fork out the extra cash for a gtr but im deffinatly thinking about it

[GTS-James]

ok i did exactly what you want to do... had a black 89 gtst and upgraded to a gtr... i love my gtr and its bull **** when people say that you have to pour a ton of money into them, mine has 156,000km i replaced the clutch in mine 2 days after i bought it, no problems since and i don't drive it nicely... i would highly suggest buying from someone on the site though because the people here seem to do the right things that need to be done to them.

[cschepp]

Listen I bought a gts and spent my money on it. Although I'm sure it is a great car but not as good as a gtr could have been. Don't buy a gts you'll be kicking yourself after. If you want a red skyline just convert it later on man when you have some more money

[got_boost!]

ok i did exactly what you want to do... had a black 89 gtst and upgraded to a gtr... i love my gtr and its bull **** when people say that you have to pour a ton of money into them, mine has 156,000km i replaced the clutch in mine 2 days after i bought it, no problems since

Yeah you're right. Since a few people have never had to fix their GTR DDs then absolutely everyone else is wrong and these aren't hard or expensive cars to maintain. It's all just bull ****
Just cause two or three people posted on here about being the exception to the rule doesn't change the fact that I can, with a few key strokes, pull up DOZENS of other people who have not been so "lucky".
Either way, all you need to do is make the decision between either a well used GTR for all of your budget, or a really nice GTs-t, prolly with a few good mods on it already for about 7k leaving you 3k to play with or to throw at upkeep or even insurance.
For the number of people in this thread who said they changed their GTs-t for a GTR I personally know just as many fellas who traded their GTRs in for GTS-t.
They are right, however, in the respect that you should prolly buy one of this site. Not only do we have some of the coolest members and cars ( ) but you should be able to track down at least a rough vehicle history or talk to a few people who have seen the car or owner themselves and can give you feedback.