NOS Vs. Water-meth?

[cobrAA]

I have the feeling that for the same price, NOS would give me more power. However, I think water-meth is a lot ''safer'' (sp?) for the engine.

PSI for PSI, water-meth might only give 10whp, but the thing is that you should be able to Boost a couple more PSI because of the water-meth kit and still be as safe and then this is how you can get 40whp more out of a water-meth kit.

Didn't do a lot of research yet on the NOS kit.

Let's talk! It's storage times, we have nothing else to do anywhere lol!

[Super_Dude]

1 gallon of 50/50 is 10 bucks and can last awhile.

I don't know how much refilling a bottle is but I know its a lot more. It also doesn't last long at all.

Nitrous will make more power but water/meth is much safer

[gtrjon]

spray is like a girl with stds you wana hit it but your afraid of the consequences

[Zacho]

Nitrous is something you have to add fuel with if you want to do it right. It also cools the iat because it is an expanding gas but I believe you usually retard timing with it. I don't have much experience with n2o but I think it gets a bad rep because alot of people don't do it right. It requires a progressive controller and other things in order for it to be a proper setup.

Water meth on the other hand does an excellent job at cooling iat's, but not just that. The water content in the air IIRC slows the flame propagation in the cylinder which explains its great anti-knock features. Water meth also allows an advance of timing(usually) along with boost, some big gains to be made quite safely*. Since the meth acts like an effective higher octane fuel you basically fill up with pump gas, but have a high octane fuel with cooler iat's whenever you want. What you put in the w/m tank is way cheaper than n2o.

You won't enjoy always filling up the bottle. Or it's cost.

In my experience w/m is great, I advanced 8 degrees at 25psi on a 1jz. The 1 gallon tank would last quite a long time as well with an M10 nozzle.

*Safety of water meth can be debated though. I think running a fail safe with it is a really good idea...if the meth tank runs dry, pump dies whatever and you have nothing to recognize/acknowledge this...your engine will grenade. Also some people will debate the distribution of w/m isn't always equal to all cylinders(think of it as fueling an engine with 1 injector pre-TB). I can't verify this but tons and tons of people have success with w/m.

I notice lots of your posts are about xxHp gains, but there is often more to it than that.

[Supraclean]

Cooler is better.

[cobrAA]

Nitrous is something you have to add fuel with if you want to do it right. It also cools the iat because it is an expanding gas but I believe you usually retard timing with it. I don't have much experience with n2o but I think it gets a bad rep because alot of people don't do it right. It requires a progressive controller and other things in order for it to be a proper setup.

Water meth on the other hand does an excellent job at cooling iat's, but not just that. The water content in the air IIRC slows the flame propagation in the cylinder which explains its great anti-knock features. Water meth also allows an advance of timing(usually) along with boost, some big gains to be made quite safely*. Since the meth acts like an effective higher octane fuel you basically fill up with pump gas, but have a high octane fuel with cooler iat's whenever you want. What you put in the w/m tank is way cheaper than n2o.

You won't enjoy always filling up the bottle. Or it's cost.

In my experience w/m is great, I advanced 8 degrees at 25psi on a 1jz. The 1 gallon tank would last quite a long time as well with an M10 nozzle.

*Safety of water meth can be debated though. I think running a fail safe with it is a really good idea...if the meth tank runs dry, pump dies whatever and you have nothing to recognize/acknowledge this...your engine will grenade. Also some people will debate the distribution of w/m isn't always equal to all cylinders(think of it as fueling an engine with 1 injector pre-TB). I can't verify this but tons and tons of people have success with w/m.

I notice lots of your posts are about xxHp gains, but there is often more to it than that.

Sure it is but at the end. All I'm looking for is to make my car more fun to drive. Every year I like to see the improvement I did on my car. I'm looking for that kick in the butt feeling

as for the safety, I know there's a brand in aussie that make a kit for 900$ that include a electric device that will let you know if the pump seized or something else.

[NismoS-tune]

NOS can make much much more power and can be just as reliable when installed correctly. People that blow up cars are not exactly tuned right or installed right or the car couldn't handle the extra power. Lots and drag racers go for NOS.

W/M is great if you can't afford race gas.

[hozer]

Speaking from direct experience (my car has both)

W/M is a much better consistent solution, and it allows you to have more aggressive timing and more boost meaning you get more power out of your car all the time. Huge HP/$ advantage to WM setup assuming your car has the mods to support it.

NOS is a "I want more juice now" type setup. You don't always get the benefits of it and is really designed for a "now and then" purpose. I have my NOS hooked upto the inter cooler just to lower my temps even more, but regardless of how you set it up, it is always a "once in a while thing"

So to compare your statement "NOS will give me more power", yes it will but only once in a while, where as WM will give it to you all the time

Before Meth



After Meth



Meth is the only thing that was added or changed in this setup, and as i said before, is a constant thing. My car MAKES 550WHP, NOS will allow you to maybe GET 600whp, but your call would only make 5. Hope that kinda makes sense

EDIT: costs ~100 bucks to fill a 10lb bottle of nos

[cobrAA]

hey!! great info here

Got a graph with the nos?

Would you mind showing me a picture of your trunk haha?

and how much did you pay for the w-m Vs. the nos?

[hozer]

hey!! great info here

Got a graph with the nos?

Would you mind showing me a picture of your trunk haha?

No graph with NOS because i choose not to run it in the fuel for the reasons I stated, best guess would be ~30-40hp boost on IC spray and car is in the shop, but I'll get you a pic when its out

EDIT:
WM was about 4-500 and NOS was about 300 (used) and 100 to fill it

[M-type]

spray is like a girl with stds you wana hit it but your afraid of the consequences

and its always the 11+'s that gott'em lmao ....100% of the time! So true
rotflmao

[cobrAA]

So, it's pretty much the same price. I will def. go with W-M. I thinking I should go with the failsafe aquamist thing.. I still need to do research on kits.

But it look like snow performance and aquamist are the top brand.

[hozer]

I have snow performance and have had 0 issues thus far. Really like it

[cobrAA]

I have snow performance and have had 0 issues thus far. Really like it

it's not the stage 3 with the little display you have? this one go for 650$

[hozer]

it's not the stage 3 with the little display you have? this one go for 650$

stage 1 all you really need if you set it up correctly. Boost controlled, fixed amount spray

Stage 2 (what I have) is boost controlled variable spray