Stupid Coaliation wants to seize power in ottawa

[GTR-Dad]

Of course the coalition is 'legal', but it hardly represents the wishes of the people, even the 63% (who voted non-Conservative) of the less than 50% (who voted). If you voted NDP, I'd like to hear how you feel about being in bed with the Liberals. If you voted Liberal, what concessions are you willing to give to get the support of the NDP?

I just hope that when we're having another election in the spring everyone remembers who made this happen and gives a majority mandate to the Conservatives.

Watch for the patented Liberal scheme of bowing at the feet of the guy (Dion) they've set up to do something they _know_ they'll be sorry for later (sleep with the NDP and the BQ) and then shun him when their new leader is selected. It's worked for them more times than I'd care to count.

As far as 'democracy working' goes, ask yourself how that fits with having the BQ hold the veto pen when they have zero interest in Canada working well.

Just a redneck's rambling....

Dan

[JZ]

Well, the point of the written areement is that the 3 opposition parties have agreed to work in unison for a set period of time and for a set objective (economic stimulus package) after which it will disband. Beyond the economic stimulus package there's not much on the table to pass or veto. I don't think any of them have any illusions about this and the fact they are in bed with each other over this; in fact I applaud them for putting aside their differences to make this happen. Once their idea is given a go (and personally I think they will make a mess of it as well) it will at least give the people some perspective the next time the election comes around (and it will next year) and make people get off their apathetic asses and VOTE for a clear leader with a clear mandate. Thats whats been missing all along. The people made this government..either through their actions or inaction and now we are dealing with the results.

BTW Dan, I also think the Liberal leadership candidates have something up their sleeves...

[SmegEad]

Frankly, the NDP agenda frightens the heck out of me - I hope that Dion et al manage to keep that in check.

I'm a Conservative, but only just. I'm happy enough with a Liberal government but not one with such a weak leader as Dion.

[CanadianGTR]

Sure it's perfectly legal and constitutional... but I hardly think it's in the best interest of Canada. I think it's just a power play... nothing more.

So Flaherty made a bad call, Harper took it back... and now they are pissed because Harper isn't throwing a butt-load of our money ($30B I think is what the left wants) into the fireplace? They want a stimulus... but in typical left-wing fashion they want it NOW without thinking of the long term, or even whether or not it will have the effect they intend it to have. What if Harper puts together a stimulus... and it fails. That's a $30B mistake that I'm SURE the left would have a FIELD day with.

Also, Dion announced he would resign in May pending, CLEARLY the guy isn't too concerned about what's BEST for Canada when he won't be around to see this thing through. Maybe he would be acting differently if he would have to deal with the consequences of his actions. Or, on the other hand... maybe he will change his mind one he inserts himself as Prime Minister. Do you really want Dion running the country when he doesn't even really care too much about running his own party?

OR, worse case... Dion installs himself as Prime Minister, and then come May BOB RAE is elected head of the Liberal Party and we get to have CANADA WIDE RAE DAYS! Bob Rae running the country... if that's not enough of a deterrent to NOT support this coalition... I don't know what is. It's like voting for McCain knowing that Palin is a heartbeat away from running the country.

Another point... do you REALLY think the COALITION government (NDP and Bloc mainly) are ready to do this? And by "this" I mean run the country? It would take them at LEAST 5-6 months to get up and running... and even then there would be so much inward bitching and whining that nothing would get accomplished. And in the times that we are going through - recession or not - do you really want a government in power that is basically learning the ropes and will be doing so for SIX MONTHS? A lot happens in six months.

And John, 63% of VOTERS voted "against" this party - and I wouldn't go as far as to say voted AGAINST. That's about 37.2% of Canadians. And do you REALLY think that that 37% voted for a COALITION government? Do you really think that represents Democracy? On the other hand 22.2% of Canadians voted FOR the Conservatives.

Personally... if this happens... I'll be happy to see them drop the ball so badly, that we end up with a Conservative MAJORITY in response to how poorly they managed things - when the left screws things up, Canada goes right... and vice versa. I just hope they don't screw things up too bad when they have control.

I would say this is all my two cents, but I feel that I've given a bit more than that... so we'll say it's my dime.

EDIT: On a side note... I feel that Canadians should have to take a voter education course. I personally feel that Canadians on average probably know more about Obama / McCain / Palin than they do about Harper, Dion or Layton. How can you vote when you don't know who you're voting for? People go with the norm too much I think. People vote for who their peers/parents vote for when they lack the knowledge required to chose someone based on their own PERSONAL opinions. Sheep should not vote.

[dm1133]

I'll vote NDP again, just like I did before. I don't know what's up with all the hate against the NDP here, they're the best party for working family canadians, and they won in my and several areas nearby me. Can you tell me 1 good thing the conservative government has done since its been in power? If you look at it, the conservative part is nothing else but a permanent coalition itself from several former conservative and progressive parties.

[SmegEad]

I'll vote NDP again, just like I did before. I don't know what's up with all the hate against the NDP here, they're the best party for working family canadians, and they won in my and several areas nearby me.

It's against my better judgment that I'm posting it, so please don't take it the wrong way.

Define "working family Canadians". To me, this means union. I am not union, never was and never will be. I will hold my tongue on my true feelings on the subject, suffice it to say I believe that the NDP are not the best party for anyone not living in a union town.

Can you tell me 1 good thing the conservative government has done since its been in power? If you look at it, the conservative part is nothing else but a permanent coalition itself from several former conservative and progressive parties.

1) Revived the military.

2) True, but a coalition that was fairly voted upon and then democratically brought to power.

[JZ]

Justin, good points and don't mistake what I wrote. I do not endorse this coalition. I merely said its the result of wishy-washy voters who apathetically allowed another weak minority government in power. They all hate each other and now its resulted in this. I merely support the system that will allow a bit of natural selection to take place in Ottawa and we as wishy washy voters will have to accept what WE created there.

The fathers of confederation created the need for minority govs to seek consensus with the other parties to work together. When that fails, the opposition may dump the minority and see if they can do a better job themselves. The voters have spoken when they put this hodgepodge together in its proportions. Its not a question of someone we don't want becomin prime minister. If we really did not want Dion in power, we should have elected Harper into a majority.

[GTR-Dad]

Sheep should not vote.

This is pure gold! However, like every attempt to legislate common sense, you're at the mercy of the legislators' definition of common sense, or in this case, sheep!

As a voter who thinks he sees the big picture, I echo the lament that as a country we've got what we deserve! Our system can't be better than the people who vote.

My only hope at this point is that we don't suffer from the usual socialist problem - running out of other people's money.

Dan

[TM]

It's against my better judgment that I'm posting it, so please don't take it the wrong way.

Define "working family Canadians". To me, this means union. I am not union, never was and never will be. I will hold my tongue on my true feelings on the subject, suffice it to say I believe that the NDP are not the best party for anyone not living in a union town.



1) Revived the military.

2) True, but a coalition that was fairly voted upon and then democratically brought to power.

Not to mention the fact that last year we have a 12.8 billion dollar surplus, and are supposed to have a 9.2 billion dollar surplus this year.

And by running a surplus, we pay down the deficit, which ultimately decreases future taxes...

Taking away 14 billion from the deficit last year saved the country 750 million in interest alone...

But sure, give power to the party leader that lives in co op housing, that other working or hard up families could use.

[JD74]

EDIT: On a side note... I feel that Canadians should have to take a voter education course. I personally feel that Canadians on average probably know more about Obama / McCain / Palin than they do about Harper, Dion or Layton. How can you vote when you don't know who you're voting for? People go with the norm too much I think. People vote for who their peers/parents vote for when they lack the knowledge required to chose someone based on their own PERSONAL opinions. Sheep should not vote.

Well said.

On a side note of my own; REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS GOING ON....there is no way in hell I will stand by and watch as decisions are made, or ideas formulated as such that will affect this country as a whole....in part by a known Seperatist Group that, at the end of the day, only has their best interests at heart.....regardless of what's going on.

You can't cry Referendum and in the same lifetime then attempt to 'guide' a Country in the right direction, when you are to blame for many of the Global ecconomic problems that affect us as a whole thanks to Foriegn confidence....or the lack thereof created every time.

What has the Bloq done for me lately ?

I would vote for a Dictatorship for this country (Oh, if only for a short while...) so that the Bloq could have their sorry asses kicked right out of the rest of the country's business and completely eliminate a large number of seats that seem to be living by the creed "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and put a stop to this "hired gun" way of swaying the power.

Most Quebecois don't consider themselves Canadian anyways......why the f#ck should we give them any consideration ?

Call me what you want.....but I say Roll in the tanks, because as history has taught us.....the cry of Referendum is never far away anways.

</end crzy western canadian rant>

[rimbimbambo]

1) Revived the military.

How is reviving the military a good thing?

I'm sorry but I always thought that being a conservative meant people were more for enforcement instead of recognizing the fact that people can be retarded. The conservatives (Being a left wing party) will have a mentality for everything being structured and ruled by a set of guidelines and if someone disobeys - then down comes the hammer. Its like that law about it being illegal for kids under 10 to sit in cars without booster seats. It might be a stupid idea if your kid doesn't fit in the seatbelt right, but its still my decision, NOT THE GOVERNMENTS.

The Left wingers are the people who put in stupid rules like the 15 year import rule and allowing companies to be sued because they didn't tell average joe something he should already know.

I voted right wing because I think this is a stupid concept. They may not support my ideals, but non of the parties fully will. Just remember that if they are right wingers, then they are more likely to oppose regulating everything then the left wingers.

Personally I think the government should reduce is military funding back to what it was, remove all these ******** laws about regulating everything and focus more on educating people. Smart people are the people who stop accidents, stimulate economy, and keep things running smoothly and the only way to get people there is to teach everyone how to think objectively.

[TM]

How is reviving the military a good thing?

I'm sorry but I always thought that being a conservative meant people were more for enforcement instead of recognizing the fact that people can be retarded. The conservatives (Being a left wing party) will have a mentality for everything being structured and ruled by a set of guidelines and if someone disobeys - then down comes the hammer. Its like that law about it being illegal for kids under 10 to sit in cars without booster seats. It might be a stupid idea if your kid doesn't fit in the seatbelt right, but its still my decision, NOT THE GOVERNMENTS.

The Left wingers are the people who put in stupid rules like the 15 year import rule and allowing companies to be sued because they didn't tell average joe something he should already know.

I voted right wing because I think this is a stupid concept. They may not support my ideals, but non of the parties fully will. Just remember that if they are right wingers, then they are more likely to oppose regulating everything then the left wingers.

Personally I think the government should reduce is military funding back to what it was, remove all these ******** laws about regulating everything and focus more on educating people. Smart people are the people who stop accidents, stimulate economy, and keep things running smoothly and the only way to get people there is to teach everyone how to think objectively.

Being conservative has nothing to do with enforcement, or otherwise. It's about economic fundamentals.

Stereotypically, being American means having a big army.

Stereotypically, having a small, garbage army, is Canadian.

Reviving our military hardly means we're going to attack another country. What it does mean is that we can finally offer decent support to our peace keeping troops and relief efforts.

Not to mention it allows us the ability to protect our nation better in a seemingly increasingly hostile global environment.

The military has other uses besides invading countries...

And from the perspective of education, some of the most disciplined and well educated people come from military universities and colleges, with the ability to apply what they've learned.

[FormerVDubber]

I have to say that dispite the coalition being perfectly legal, I still think it's undemocratic. I've heard the argument so many times about the 63% of voters that were against Harper but it just doesn't hold water. What about the Lib, Bloc and NDP voters not all of them like this either. I think the only people truly supporting the coalition are Voters who don't care (except to say they don't like Harper) and those sheep that believe anything Danny Williams has to say (I hope he eats his ABC words come next NFLD election).
I have seen several unofficial poles on various news web pages and they all show 70-85% of people against this coalition.

Lets look at who's forming this coalition:

NDP - old world socialism / border line comunism doesn't work.

Liberal - Leaning farther and farther left of center (where NDP used to be) and falling apart at the seems. They don't even know who their leader is going to be right now.

Bloc - How is it possible we have a federal party representing only one province. This either shouldn't be allowed to exist or forced to have members running in ridings across the country

I think the Harper Team have done great Job. Canada is in the best position of the G8 to weather this international resession. In the last 2.5 years he has paid down 37 billion in federal dept saving us billions in interest payments. He kept his promise on reviving our crippled military, lowering GST and income taxes (personal and corp). Oh and anybody who says lowering corporate taxes is bad needs to be slapped. Not only do big companies pay these taxes so do mom and pop stores and so do contractors like myself. what do you think will happen when this coalition increases the Corp taxes. More jobs will be lost to over seas and people like me will be screwed too. This is why alot of people don't like the NDP.

I also would like to say that the stimulus package for the auto industry is a lost cause. Dispite strong canadian auto sales it's the lack of american buying thats making us suffer. I certainly feel for the people that lost their jobs but they should have seen this coming. The american auto companies have been sucking the governments dry (to the count of over a trillion dollars) since post world war 2. They haven't learned to adapt to changing markets and now rely on free money. They need to suffer and reform the way they do business(kinda like the Liberals). Also these jobs arn't coming back to Canada. The only way to revive our manufactuing industry is diversify. Why doesn't Canada make more products. We have all the Natual resourses but send them to the US to be made (gas included). And another nail in the coffin for manufacturing jobs (besides the union) is the fact that any simple labour work will eventually be replaced by Computers and automation technologies.

I'd love to say more but I'm starting to rant.

[TM]

I have to say that dispite the coalition being perfectly legal, I still think it's undemocratic. I've heard the argument so many times about the 63% of voters that were against Harper but it just doesn't hold water. What about the Lib, Bloc and NDP voters not all of them like this either. I think the only people truly supporting the coalition are Voters who don't care (except to say they don't like Harper) and those sheep that believe anything Danny Williams has to say (I hope he eats his ABC words come next NFLD election).
I have seen several unofficial poles on various new web pages and they all show 70-85% of people against this coalition.

Lets look at who's forming this coalition:

NDP - old world socialism / border line comunism doesn't work.

Liberal - Leaning farther and farther left of center (where NDP used to be) and falling apart at the seems. They don't even know who their leader is going to be right now.

Bloc - How is it possible we have a federal party representing only one province. This either shouldn't be allowed to exist or forced to have members running in ridings across the country

I think the Harper Team have done great Job. Canada is in the best position of the G8 to weather this international resession. In the last 2.5 years he has paid down 37 billion in federal dept saving us billions in interest payments. He kept his promise on reviving our crippled military, lowering GST and income taxes (personal and corp). Oh and anybody who says lowering corporate taxes is bad needs to be slapped. Not only do big companies pay these taxes so do mom and pop stores and so do contractors like myself. what do you think will happen when this coalition increases the Corp taxes. More jobs will be lost to over seas and people like me will be screwed too. This is why alot of people don't like the NDP.

I also would like to say that the stimulus package for the auto industry is a lost cause. Dispite strong canadian auto sales it's the lack of american buying thats making us suffer. I certainly feel for the people that lost their jobs but they should have seen this coming. The american auto companies have been sucking the governments dry (to the count of over a trillion dollars) since post world war 2. They haven't learned to adapt to changing markets and now rely on free money. They need to suffer and reform the way they do business(kinda like the Liberals). Also these jobs arn't coming back to Canada. The only way to revive our manufactuing industry is diversify. Why doesn't Canada make more products. We have all the Natual resourses but send them to the US to be made (gas included). And another nail in the coffin for manufacturing jobs (besides the union) is the fact that any simple labour work will eventually be replaced by Computers and automation technologies.

I'd love to say more but I'm starting to rant.

The automakers are taking it from the government and the union workers are taking it from the automakers.

If the union had made point of stepping in to renegotiate a new contract that, while it wouldn't be as nice as they had, at least it would give automakers a chance at turning a profit and become self sufficient again.

The CAW is simply stupid for continually pressuring the auto manufacturers for higher wages and less work.

They did it to themselves.

[SmegEad]

How is reviving the military a good thing?

I'm sorry but I always thought that being a conservative meant people were more for enforcement instead of recognizing the fact that people can be retarded. The conservatives (Being a left wing party) will have a mentality for everything being structured and ruled by a set of guidelines and if someone disobeys - then down comes the hammer. Its like that law about it being illegal for kids under 10 to sit in cars without booster seats. It might be a stupid idea if your kid doesn't fit in the seatbelt right, but its still my decision, NOT THE GOVERNMENTS.

The Left wingers are the people who put in stupid rules like the 15 year import rule and allowing companies to be sued because they didn't tell average joe something he should already know.

I voted right wing because I think this is a stupid concept. They may not support my ideals, but non of the parties fully will. Just remember that if they are right wingers, then they are more likely to oppose regulating everything then the left wingers.

Personally I think the government should reduce is military funding back to what it was, remove all these ******** laws about regulating everything and focus more on educating people. Smart people are the people who stop accidents, stimulate economy, and keep things running smoothly and the only way to get people there is to teach everyone how to think objectively.

You have your wings reversed.