JDM now banned in Quebec for the next 180days!

[klys]

I sent this to Mark Baril, the person in charge of the moratory

yes it's in french

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2010-02-16

Étude sur les risque des véhicules conduite à droite
ATTN: Mark Baril ing.(..)

Je suis complètement Outré par votre étude. Sans vouloir vous offenser, je ne considère pas que vous avez fait une étude impartial.

Vous avez fait parler les chiffres en faveurs de ce que demandait Madame la ministre Boulet.

En re-lisant l'étude, deux points bien important viennent rendre votre étude invalide.

premièrement, vous ne mentionnez pas la responsabilité de l'accident.
Vous enraillez toutes les données qui pourraient être en faveur des véhicules conduite à droite.

Deuxièment: Mais qu'est-ce qu'est ce choix de voiture comparable conduite à gauche.

J'aimerais savoir ce qui à été demande à l'APVIQ. Je me souviens qu'au début du premier arrêté ministériel, l'APVIQ avait demandé quel véhicule un propriétaire de véhicule conduite à droite achèterais s'il n'avait pas accès au JDM.

la question n'était donc pas: quel véhicule CAG est équivalent.

car si telle était le cas, et en utilisant une règle bien simple: véhicule de 200 chevaux et plus (généralement plus dur à maitriser) et propulsion (majorité des véhicules sportif importé) il n'aurait été QUE logique d'inclure tout ce qui s'appel Mustang GT, Corvette, Camaro et autres véhicules qui requiert plus de compétences à contrôler.

Je sais que vous être intègre et que vous comprendrez que nous ne voulons que la vérité. Pas des chiffres trafiqué pour plaire à Mme Boulet.

si votre logique est bonne et que le gouvernement veut vraiment prendre la population Québécoise par la main, comme il semble faire de plus en plus, je vous suggère d'interdire les scooters, j'en ai un et c'est dangereux, les motoneiges(déjà 15 morts cette hiver) et tout ce qui peut procurer quelconque plaisir de conduite et/ou passion.

sans savoir quel sera le verdique après le second moratoire, il existe des solutions autre que l'interdiction. Il pourrait aussi y avoir une classe de permis pour ceux qui veulent vraiment ces véhicules. ou une taxe de bienvenue pour décourager les garages de montréal nord à importer des voitures "scrap". En effet trop souvent j'ai vu des poubelles vendu environ 5000$ sortant de ces garages et je doit avoué que ces véhicules n'était pas sécuritaire! Pour ces véhicules, la question est plutôt, comment ont-ils passé l'inspection de la SAAQ.

Pour avoir passé l'inspection en 2005 à un mandataire honnête, je sais pertinemment que plusieurs véhicules ont été "inspecté"/approuver dans des conditions douteuses...

Merci


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[Shadao]

well maybe you could post up the english version so the rest of canada can read it too

[cobrAA]

that is what he wrote to M. Baril.. there's no translation.

[Shadao]

that is what he wrote to M. Baril.. there's no translation.

well if he wrote it... then he could write the english version too... seems logical

[dah_hunter]

LoL.. this is Canada.. that is Quebec.. Translation isnt Logical..

The place has language Police.. I mean how Gay is that..

and they have the balls to whine about the lack of French at the opening ceremony.

The French are the biggest whiners in Canada.

[dah_hunter]

I am completely Outraged by your study. Without wishing to offend you, I do not believe that you made an impartial study.

You've done the numbers speak in favor of what called Madam Minister Boulet.

In re-reading the study, two points are very important to make your survey invalid.

First, you do not mention the responsibility of the accident.
You enraillez all data that could be for RHD vehicles.

Second: But what does this choice of what a comparable car driving on the left.

I know what has been asked to APVIQ. I remember at the beginning of the first ministerial decree, the APVIQ asked what vehicle a vehicle owner RHD would buy if he had no access to JDM.

the question was not: what GAC is equivalent vehicle.

for if such were the case, and using a simple rule: vehicle 200 horsepower and more (generally harder to master) and propulsion (majority of imported sports cars) it was only logical to include everything s'appel Mustang GT, Corvette, Camaro and other vehicles that require more skill to control.

I know you have integrity and you will understand that we want the truth. No figures manipulated to please Madame Boulet.

if your logic is correct and that the government is serious about the people from Quebec by hand, as it seems to make more and more, I suggest you ban the scooters, I have one and it's dangerous, snowmobiles (15 deaths already this winter) and everything can get any pleasure from driving and / or passion.

without knowing what the verdique after the second moratorium, there are solutions other than the ban. It could also be a license class for those who really want those vehicles. or a welcome tax to discourage garages north of Montreal to import cars "scrap". In fact, too often I have seen garbage sold about $ 5000 out of the garage and I must confessed that these vehicles were not safe! For these vehicles, the question is, how have they passed the inspection of the SAAQ.

To have passed inspection in 2005 to an agent honest, I am aware that several vehicles were "inspected" / approve in dubious circumstances ...

Thank you

[GTRADDICT]

LoL.. this is Canada.. that is Quebec.. Translation isnt Logical..

The place has language Police.. I mean how Gay is that..

and they have the balls to whine about the lack of French at the opening ceremony.

The French are the biggest whiners in Canada.

Careful... We're not all Quebecers.. and we're not all winny

[Opus]

Let's all play nice now.

As an Anglo in Quebec, I have to say the vast majority of French Canadians are cool. Unfortunately the most ignorant of our society seem to be the most opinionated. Seems to be a trend that's not limited to Quebec.

[klys]

well if he wrote it... then he could write the english version too... seems logical

I could have
and I would have but not at midnight when I was getting up at 6.

I'd rather if this thread didn't turn into a debate about the Quebecers vs Canada as all it would do, is lead nowehere quick.

Don't generalize

[klys]

I am completely Outraged by your study. Without wishing to offend you, I do not believe that your study is as impartial as it

leads us to beleive.

Numbers always speak in favor of what Madame Boulet would like to see.

By re-reading the study, two very important points makes the study invalid.

First, you do not mention which car was responsible for the accident. so if a RHD car was involved, while being parked, it would be counted.
You also canned all data that could be beneficial statistically for RHD vehicles. such as year 2009, where statistically, LHDs are more dangerous to drive, blaming it on the moratory year.

Second: What's with the choice of comparable LHD cars?

I'd like to know exactly what's been asked from the APVIQ(our IVOAC). I remember at the beginning of the first moratory, the

APVIQ asked enthusiasts what LHD vehicule we'd buy if we didn't have acces to RHDs.

the question was Not: what LHD is equivalent.

For if were the case, and using a simpler rules: such as 200 horsepower and over (usually harder to master) and RWD (majority

of imported sports cars) it would have been only logical to include anything related to Mustang GT's, Corvette's, Camaro's

and other vehicles that require some skills to control.

I know you have integrity and you will understand that what we want is the truth. what we don't want, are figures manipulated

to please Madame Boulet.

if your logic is correct and that the government really wants to take it's population by hand, as it seems to be doing more

as days go by, I suggest you ban scooters, I have one and it's dangerous, snowmobiles (15 deaths already this winter) and

everything that can give you any kinds of driving pleasure / or passion.

without knowing what the final outcome will be after the second moratorium, I'm sure the are other solutions to an outright

ban. Different class of licence could be implemented for the real enthusiatsor a welcome tax to discourage crap

Montreal-North shops from importing "scrap" cars. In fact, I've too often seen garbage cars sold for about $ 5000 and I must

confessed that these vehicles were not safe! For these vehicles, the real question is, how have they passed the inspection

from the SAAQ.

To have passed inspection in 2005 with an honest agent, I am aware how hard it is to pass, and that many of these scrap

vehicles were "inspected" / approve in dubious circumstances ...

Thank you






I added a few lines for those who haven't read the study

[GTRADDICT]

I could have
and I would have but not at midnight when I was getting up at 6.

I'd rather if this thread didn't turn into a debate about the Quebecers vs Canada as all it would do, is lead nowehere quick.

Don't generalize

+1
Nick

[Paradis]

so whats the scoop in Quebec right now. Whats the temperature there with this issue

[klys]

there was a meeting March 9th with representatives of the APVIQ and the transport minister euh I mean Darth Sinister Boulette...
it's on youtube in french.

again, she was completly off the track and the arguments that were presented were pretty good. but she's just stuck up.

I'll let you watch for yourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt3INBFUXs0

the other parts are on the lower right

[mitch32]

Watched most of it, not sure whats going to come out of this. Seems like they don't like the fact that a 16 year old can buy a car as fast as a Ferrari (they use Ferrari and Skyline as their reference). So I'm not sure if this is a right-hand-drive argument or more of a high-risk because you can get a faster car for cheaper. I agree with that point but they never mention that you can get an Eagle TSi for example for around 5000-8000$ and they are just as fast as a GTR and cheaper (and that was a legal import). They argure more about Kei Cars then others but they still argue everything.

[klys]

in other words, the real problem is MAINLY behind the wheel
not on which side that wheel is