Call it. Mir Vs. Lesner

[Southie]

does anyone not take into consideration that Mir , Before his devastating motorcycle accident, was on the road to be the number 1 ranked guy. And now after a few fights shaking of the cob webs he looks just as good/ or even better, then he did before. I think Mir is gonna chop down lesner like a tree and take him out via a submission while on his back.

GSP!!! He has never fought the same way twice. He gets stronger and faster in every fight he has....alves has no idea about the world of hurt hes gonna be in....

That mouthy piece of sh!t Bisping needs a good slapping and Henderson is just the man to do it...


....im a big UFC fan....

[M13]

either way on all cards, this will be a great night and my VISA will never forgive me for it.

[Shadao]

Bisping said 2 things. He is not going to get dropped. and he is going to win by KO
I dont see iether of those happening

ya if bisping KO's henderson i will be amazed... bisping has virtually no power in his punches....

in mir's last fight he looked great... however... nogeria looked at his worst hes ever looked... while mir may have more submission experience on the ground, lesnar has more wrestling experience on the ground which is one thing that gives him all that control he has shown in the past... couple that with the sheer size of the guy and hes gonna be a force... as for his "cardio" i dont think that it is gonna come into question, lesnar is a beast!!!

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make this a POLL! I wanna see bar graphs hehe

I think mir will make Lesnar tap. Lately he seems so motivated to win fights.

GSP will win by unanimous decision. I like both fighters...well GSP slightly more.

Bisping will beat Henderson by unanimous decision. I hope lol

[doublejceballos]

ok
does any one know how to make a poll after making a thread?

[GT_Lafl-R]

Lesnar FTW

I like Mir but Lesnar is just too big and strong.

Ever heard of BJJ? Do you know the whole principle behind it? Ever watch any early UFCs? Ever watch any fights from Pride?

No on all counts?

haha i didnt see that.

i think lesner. he is too strong to lose and has come a long ways since his last battle iwth mir.

then gsp of course

and i actually like mike bisbing so i choose him! henderson is getting old

Too strong to lose?

*Sighs*

Lesnar has put some experience under his belt, so I'm going to go with Lesgnargnar.

Either way, it will be an awesome fight. Mir has more experience, but it's definately hard to overcome brute force that Lesnar has.


I'm thinking:


Lesnar
GSP
Bisping

Again...

You have to remember, Lesner has to carry around all that weight too. If you've noticed he tires out quickly from running around.

Lesner will probably still win but Mir could have a chance if he can tire Lesner out.

Mir "could have a chance"? You make it sound like he only has an outside shot at winning.

does anyone not take into consideration that Mir , Before his devastating motorcycle accident, was on the road to be the number 1 ranked guy. And now after a few fights shaking of the cob webs he looks just as good/ or even better, then he did before. I think Mir is gonna chop down lesner like a tree and take him out via a submission while on his back.

GSP!!! He has never fought the same way twice. He gets stronger and faster in every fight he has....alves has no idea about the world of hurt hes gonna be in....

That mouthy piece of sh!t Bisping needs a good slapping and Henderson is just the man to do it...


....im a big UFC fan....

Jesus Christ. Finally, someone said it (regarding Mir/Lesnar). Being a longtime, avid and somewhat knowledgeable MMA fan, I'm almost appalled by these responses.

I'm not saying Lesnar can't win, obviously, but some of you guys should do a little research on Frank Mir before posting.

[GT_Lafl-R]

lesnar all the way... mir wont catch him with a rookie mistake like there first meeting...

GSP all the way... Thiago "the pitbull" silva is gonna get nuterd and turned into a tame puppy

henderson all the way... bisping has no power and is weaker in all aspects of skill... not to mention hes a total wanker as well

GSP is fighting Thiago Silva now? When did he make the 35 lb weight jump?

[falcon]

[doublejceballos]

haha
hammer fist

[M13]

Ever heard of BJJ? Do you know the whole principle behind it? Ever watch any early UFCs? Ever watch any fights from Pride?

No on all counts?



Too strong to lose?

*Sighs*



Again...



Mir "could have a chance"? You make it sound like he only has an outside shot at winning.



Jesus Christ. Finally, someone said it (regarding Mir/Lesnar). Being a longtime, avid and somewhat knowledgeable MMA fan, I'm almost appalled by these responses.

I'm not saying Lesnar can't win, obviously, but some of you guys should do a little research on Frank Mir before posting.

Sorry Mr Genius, but I did some research prior. I won't be the most knowledgeable but Mir is not the same Mir. Neither is Lesnar. You just had to jizz all over the thread with your mighty e-peen didn't you?

[Shadao]

GSP is fighting Thiago Silva now? When did he make the 35 lb weight jump?

silva alves same **** different pile

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do you know the whole principle behind BJJ? you do understand that todays UFC 100 is Vastly different from UFC 1... back in UFC1 people didnt even know what jiujitsu even was, now everyone does and everyone trains for it on some lvl(except maybe houston alexander)

while having skill does tend to help lvl the playing feild when one person has a size advantage over another i dont think it is gonna make up enough of the gap that is between lesnar and mir... when you have 2 people of the same weight the person with more skill will have the advantage... but when you have 2 people of different weight and the same skill lvl the person who is bigger has the advantage... now since mir and lesnar have different lvls of skill and size you have to look at all the options...on paper lesnar has the advantage over mir in all aspects except submissions...

in there first meeting lesnar was a rookie to mma... he had no submission skills at all, and might still have none.. however due to his nearly perfect college wrestling carrer lesnar has an amazingly strong ability to control a person on the ground... then toss in a few years of submission defence and lesnar isnt gonna get caught like he did there first time around...

i think the only way for mir to win is via submission, and the only way that will happen is if lesnar makes a mistake... where as i can see lesnar wining with either a KO, TKO, submission(if he has any) or UD mainly due to octogan control... but most likely lesnar will win due to a KO...

[doublejceballos]

silva alves same **** different pile

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do you know the whole principle behind BJJ? you do understand that todays UFC 100 is Vastly different from UFC 1... back in UFC1 people didnt even know what jiujitsu even was, now everyone does and everyone trains for it on some lvl(except maybe houston alexander)

while having skill does tend to help lvl the playing feild when one person has a size advantage over another i dont think it is gonna make up enough of the gap that is between lesnar and mir... when you have 2 people of the same weight the person with more skill will have the advantage... but when you have 2 people of different weight and the same skill lvl the person who is bigger has the advantage... now since mir and lesnar have different lvls of skill and size you have to look at all the options...on paper lesnar has the advantage over mir in all aspects except submissions...

in there first meeting lesnar was a rookie to mma... he had no submission skills at all, and might still have none.. however due to his nearly perfect college wrestling carrer lesnar has an amazingly strong ability to control a person on the ground... then toss in a few years of submission defence and lesnar isnt gonna get caught like he did there first time around...

i think the only way for mir to win is via submission, and the only way that will happen is if lesnar makes a mistake... where as i can see lesnar wining with either a KO, TKO, submission(if he has any) or UD mainly due to octogan control... but most likely lesnar will win due to a KO...

huge debates not welcome

[GT_Lafl-R]

Sorry Mr Genius, but I did some research prior. I won't be the most knowledgeable but Mir is not the same Mir. Neither is Lesnar. You just had to jizz all over the thread with your mighty e-peen didn't you?

Mir could be the best Mir ever. Lesnar is still green, which was highlighted in the Couture fight. Couture, at 220 lbs. had Lesnar pressed up against the cage, kept him there, and almost reversed/took him down a couple times.

While Mir's wrestling is not on the level of Couture's (obviously), the above is not completely meaningless.

silva alves same **** different pile

............

do you know the whole principle behind BJJ? you do understand that todays UFC 100 is Vastly different from UFC 1... back in UFC1 people didnt even know what jiujitsu even was, now everyone does and everyone trains for it on some lvl(except maybe houston alexander)Although it was a couple of years ago, see Big Nog in Pride.

while having skill does tend to help lvl the playing feild when one person has a size advantage over another i dont think it is gonna make up enough of the gap that is between lesnar and mir... when you have 2 people of the same weight the person with more skill will have the advantage... but when you have 2 people of different weight and the same skill lvl the person who is bigger has the advantage... now since mir and lesnar have different lvls of skill and size you have to look at all the options...on paper lesnar has the advantage over mir in all aspects except submissions... Ummm...I'd have to give striking to Mr as well. Yeah Lesnar has reach and power, but technically, his striking is there yet. Even if Lesnar gets Mir on his back, a submission can still come from the bottom. On the other hand, if Mir gets Lesnar of his back, that could be lights out. Lesnar does not want to be on his back.

in there first meeting lesnar was a rookie to mma... he had no submission skills at all, and might still have none.. however due to his nearly perfect college wrestling carrer lesnar has an amazingly strong ability to control a person on the ground... then toss in a few years of submission defence and lesnar isnt gonna get caught like he did there first time around...I think Lesnar could definitely be submitted. How many years of submission defense did Tim Sylvia have under his belt when Frank snapped his arm in half? Probably a touch more than Lesnar.

i think the only way for mir to win is via submission, and the only way that will happen is if lesnar makes a mistake... where as i can see lesnar wining with either a KO, TKO, submission(if he has any) or UD mainly due to octogan control... but most likely lesnar will win due to a KO...I think Mir can win via submission or KO/TKO. When has Lesnar's chin been tested? When has someone really hit him in the stand up? Mir has been training BJJ forever, Lesnar has been training to defend it for a couple years, max.

I still don't think you guys are giving Mir the credit he deserves and are greatly over crediting when it comes to Lesnar's experience. Mir been around for a long time. I'm sure there are still some positions that Lesnar hasn't been put in.

Edit: I almost forgot...I hope Hendo overhand right's Bisping into next year.

[Shadao]

tim sylvia and lesnar are completly different in terms of how they fight and there body types... lensar is not lanky like sylvia... go ahead and bring up nog's pride days, they are as usefull as cro cops pride days, and the axe murderers pride days etc etc etc... the only pride fighter to realllllly show us anything good has been rampage... the rest of the pride guys seem.... washed up

while mir may have his black belt in BJJ(which was awarded to him after he broke sylivas arm) it is his only advantage...

coutures greco roman wrestling skill is what has always made him so dangerous in the clinch... which is what gave him the ability to hold lesnar back for a short time... but mir does not have this ability...

mir's best ability is his BJJ, and lesnars best ability is his wrestling... there is another fight which is very comparable to these two guys... and that is the "grease gate" penn vs GSP 2... bj is a master of bjj and the rubber guard, where as GSP's foundation is in wrestling... who won that fight? and what skills did they use to win? the answers are GSP and his wrestling which dominated BJ's BJJ...

i dont see mir beating brock "the vanilla gorilla" lesnar

[GT_Lafl-R]

tim sylvia and lesnar are completly different in terms of how they fight and there body types... lensar is not lanky like sylvia... go ahead and bring up nog's pride days, they are as usefull as cro cops pride days, and the axe murderers pride days etc etc etc... the only pride fighter to realllllly show us anything good has been rampage... the rest of the pride guys seem.... washed up

while mir may have his black belt in BJJ(which was awarded to him after he broke sylivas arm) it is his only advantage...

coutures greco roman wrestling skill is what has always made him so dangerous in the clinch... which is what gave him the ability to hold lesnar back for a short time... but mir does not have this ability...

mir's best ability is his BJJ, and lesnars best ability is his wrestling... there is another fight which is very comparable to these two guys... and that is the "grease gate" penn vs GSP 2... bj is a master of bjj and the rubber guard, where as GSP's foundation is in wrestling... who won that fight? and what skills did they use to win? the answers are GSP and his wrestling which dominated BJ's BJJ...

i dont see mir beating brock "the vanilla gorilla" lesnar

I wasn't bringing up Nog's Pride days in an attempt to make a comparison between his successes then and now. I brought them up in an attempt to show what a BJJ ace can do against much bigger, stronger men.

Also, GSP/Penn II isn't exactly a good comparison to Mir/Lesnar, seeing as GSP is a black belt in BJJ. Yes, he primarily uses his wrestling, but that detail can't be ignored.

I have also read places that Mir is very strong. We'll have a couple more hours to see what weight he comes in at, but he looks bigger than he did at UFC 92 and that was 251 lbs.

Why do you not think Mir will have an advantage on the feet?

I'm envisioning Cro Cop vs. Sapp, though I'd imagine Lesnar's technicality is probably superior to what Sapp's was, as he was a joke.

Shogun is not washed up, though maybe it is safe to say I should wait until after his next fight to say that.

Wandy and Nog have cemented their places and should hang them up. Though, Nog had Staph leading to his fight with Mir. They've both taken too much punishment. Cro Cop, I'm still not too sure about.